Mary jane, yes or no

[YO MUDA]

Whats everyone think? Should grass be legalized?

[morpheus]

Whats everyone think? Should grass be legalized?
:lol: isn't it already???:crazy3: :crazy3::milk: :milk: :heh_heh: :heh_heh: :dizzy: :dizzy:

[dirtwarrior]

There is a number of reasons it should be legal.
Money wasted by police to bust people.
Money wasted to jail so called criminals
It can be taxed (relax it stille would be cheaper than it is now)
Less chance to be influenced by other stuff

[wiscotommy]

I'm not a pot head by any means but I do partake now and again (maybe twice a week). I just don't see why it is illegal, I agree with dirtwarrior. Tax it and make some money.

[spiritof87]

why can you get a tax permit to sale it but it is still illegal to possess it. why can you go into just about any conveience store and buy bongs pipes papers and blunts. why is it that california has legalized it for medical use and texas has not. the gov. could be rolling in doe.

[anesthesia]

I don't smoke it, never liked the way it made me feel, alcohol is my drug of choice. With that said, I think it should be legal. I honestly don't think it's as bad for you as alcohol is, let alone cigarettes (I also smoke cigs).
Plus, I think if a lot of people would smoke a joint now and then, the world might be a better place and we wouldn't have the majority of the population running around on Prozac and all of the legal, prescription 'feel good' drugs.

[750SpiritRdr]

Hell yes it should, i smoked every day for 17yrs. Just quit 2yrs. ago because the place i work started doing hair test. Piss test are easy to get around, but hair is a total different story.
Every reason Dirtwarrior said plus you don't hear of people smoking a joint then running a redlight and killing people like you do with alcohol or cracked out and cranked up looking for a fight or to kill someone for the fun of it.
Just smoke a big fatty and relax people!!!

[BumbleBeeShadow]

But there are people that hurt others unknowningly after smoking weed. I think it should stay illegal, and it does hurt you if you smoke it, it damn sure doesn't help. Your reaction time is lessened on pot along with other things that will affect your ability to function normally

[750SpiritRdr]

But there are people that hurt others unknowningly after smoking weed. I think it should stay illegal, and it does hurt you if you smoke it, it damn sure doesn't help. Your reaction time is lessened on pot along with other things that will affect your ability to function normally



You are correct about the reaction time, it does slow it down. alcohol is much worse at slowing you down but it's still legal. I still say it's much better than a lot of the other drugs out there these days.
This debate could go on for a life time.

[mcvierh]

Yes....and as far as making money taxing it...thats a crock of shit....reason I say that is because a hell-of-a-lot more money is being generated with it being illegal, what with the drug war funding,the property sezures,the trafficing,....and truth be known when was the last time you ever heard of someone smoking a joint and walking into a "bar" and wanting to beat the piss out of everyone in sight...and just how many traffic fatalities do you think are the result of a joint....whenever theres a traffic fatality, blood tests are preformed, guess what in the last 3 years a total of 7....thats right 7 showed positive for marijuana, while over 98 persent of fatalities in the past 3 years test possitive for achohol.....so you tell me.....check the DOT fatalities index if you doubt the stats...

[red twizzler]

WWOOWW Man , thats heavy!:beatnik2:

[BumbleBeeShadow]

i agree with ya'll on the booze. But from history they never made that illegal. Pot they did. If you drink you should be smart enough to not drive, for those that do...dumbasses. But look at it like this, since pot is illegal and beer is, more people consume beer because it is legal if you are of age. If pot were legal, do you think more people would do it? Probably, so if more people did it then that number 7 would probably go up quite a bit

[westdime]

:Smoker: I used to like the sticky icky icky.......................:holla:

[750SpiritRdr]

i agree with ya'll on the booze. But from history they never made that illegal. Pot they did.


Don't forget about the days of probishion, it was illegal at one time

[BumbleBeeShadow]

true but that didn't last long

[MrRngr94]

I don't smoke it. Never have. But I have known plenty of people that do and as wierd as it sounds I'd rather be sharing the road with a pothead than a drunk. They're usually so paranoid that they're aware of everything. lol

[FEAROFRUNNER]

I'm about to go smoke a bowl after i get off the computer:crazy3: I smoked every day for about two years and it made me stupid as fuck! I could walk out of my room to get something out of the front room and by the time i got there i was like what the fuck was i doing again.... that was totally sobar. I've always said that the shit shouldn't be legalized IF everyone was like me, cause then we'd have a bunch of lazy, retarted, paranoid fucks walking around, it's really surprising how many people can get totally blitzed out of thier minds and still function out in public... hat's off to them:thumbsup:


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[Raymo]

Uh, What was the question?

[whiteshadow]

But there are people that hurt others unknowningly after smoking weed. I think it should stay illegal, and it does hurt you if you smoke it, it damn sure doesn't help. Your reaction time is lessened on pot along with other things that will affect your ability to function normally

There is really no debate regarding this issue, Our government is the only one doing illegal shit as it violates your constitutional right to choose. Real Americans know that this discussion should last a second because it is a blatent disregard for the constitution that breeds such opression.

[wiscotommy]

I don't smoke and drive or ride to much to think about. I like to relax and chill out when riding. I'm surprised this thread isnt 20 pages deap yet. I know how some pot heads like to talk about this subject.

[SmokeShowin]

true but that didn't last long

Say what noobie?!

"Prohibition was a period of nearly fourteen years of U.S. history in which the manufacture, sale, and transportation of liquor was made illegal. It led to the first and only time an Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was repealed.
Dates: 1920 -- 1933"

[BumbleBeeShadow]

only 14 years, how long has pot been illegal?

[jrod1970]

only 14 years, how long has pot been illegal?

1915 was the first year, here is the link http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

interesting, all you know i am no stranger to weed, i smoke it all the time, and guess what?

i dont leave my house:beatnik2:

[1blackz28]

I think all drugs should be made legal. They could tax them and make a bundle. Current tax money would be freed up that goes to prisions, courts (judges, prosecutors, clerks ect), police (local state federal), state mandated rehabilition centers, and the list goes on. Also if wallmart was selling a 20 pack of joints for 4 dollars and small bags of cocaine for 5 bucks, it would be a lot less profitable for Joe gangbanger down the street to sell his shit. It would infact put the street level drug dealer out of business. When you make things like that illegal the only thing you create is an underground economy and criminals. Just look at prohabition.

The government shouldnt be able to tell you what you can and cant do with your own body anyway. If someone thinks shooting a garbage can full of herion sounds like fun, fucking let them. It will sure weed out the dipshits in a hurry. Its just like the whole protective hold thing for suicidal people. If they want to die then let them. If its a bad decission I bet its the last bad decission they ever make.

[westdime]

I used to hit the trees harder than Sonny Bono...........

[RAZOR]

I believe the American government is the largest
Drug dealer in the word. Why would they Legalize any drug?
they are making more then enough money dealing it
illegally . Fuck taxing it the money they get from that would be
like chump change compared to the full profit they are already making on
selling.

[westdime]

I used to hit the trees harder than Sonny Bono...........
We used to smoke them trees till we looked like vietnamese people..........

[RAZOR]

We used to smoke them trees till we looked like vietnamese people..........

In mid school My nickname was Red Eye. I was blazed all the time.and made me some extra cash if you know what mean.:beatnik2:

then in high school I just quit. School and footbal became more important then
getting high. i've smoked it a few times since. But now I take a toke and I'm
out like a light. It puts me to sleep now.. just dont care for it much anymore.
i'd much rather sit and enjoy the smell.

[westdime]

In mid school My nickname was Red Eye. I was blazed all the time.and made me some extra cash if you know what mean.:beatnik2:

then in high school I just quit. School and footbal became more important then
getting high. i've smoked it a few times since. But now I take a toke and I'm
out like a light. It puts me to sleep now.. just dont care for it much anymore.
i'd much rather sit and enjoy the smell.
Yeah the late 80's and 90's were a blur......I used to walk around stright for 2 months with a buzzzzzzz

[Raymo]

Yeah the late 80's and 90's were a blur......I used to walk around stright for 2 months with a buzzzzzzz

Is that like walking around nekkid with your clothes on?

[LuckyBastard]

As long as alcohol and cigarettes are legal, there's absolutely NO reason why pot should not be. Look at all the negative effects of the first two, then look at the negative effects of herb... The list is SO MUCH shorter! Alcohol is like liquid courage for some people, and they wanna fight everyone... The only fighting you see with potheads is over who gets the last cupcake, oreo, etc. Marijuana is constantly praised for its medicinal qualities... What medicinal qualities are there with cigarettes?

Like so many other things, the government needs to pull its HUGE head out of its ass, wipe the shit from its eyes, and LEGALIZE IT!

[YO MUDA]

Well Said

[SmokeShowin]

Alcohol is like liquid courage for some people, and they wanna fight everyone...

I hear ya. I've had some amaretto, about 10 butterball shots and I'm working on getting a little Captain in me. And I'M GONNA KICK YOUR FUCKIN ASS!!!!!!!

J/K Lucky, well about the ass kickin part at least. I agree with you 120 %.

[MrRngr94]

Dude. You can't say you're gonna kick someone's ass after doing butterball shots and amaretto. Well not unless you're a chick. lol

[SmokeShowin]

Dude. You can't say you're gonna kick someone's ass after doing butterball shots and amaretto. Well not unless you're a chick. lol

Can't let the shit just sit in the liquor cabinet. That is also considered alcohol abuse. I use what is available.

[LuckyBastard]

I'M GONNA KICK YOUR FUCKIN ASS!!!!!!!

Mmmm... Don't threaten ME with a good time!!! :sweethear

[YO MUDA]

:stoned: puff

[FEAROFRUNNER]

I love weed... got some bomb shit that stinks so fuckin bad, i'm finally getting use to this shit, can actually take 2 hits without being totally fried :)

[mustangman915l]

Whats everyone think? Should grass be legalized?

i think that it should. i dont do grass or drugs or nothin, seriously. if it was legal the economy would pop right of the recession that it was in. also, i wouldnt be a big deal to people anymore if it was legal. a lot of people do it cause of the thrill of it being illegal.

I may not do the reefer, but i will drink a beer or seven wit yas any day of the week!:thumbsup:

[Raymo]

I hear it'll make your babies be born nekkid.

[westdime]

I used to hit the trees harder than Sonny Bono...........
Ah........hello.........I used to hit the trees harder than Sonny Bono.............:beatnik2:

[YO MUDA]

I hear it'll make your babies be born nekkid. NO shit, thats totally awesum!:beatnik2:

[YO MUDA]

I havent smoked in 30 years, but I know a guy at work that smokes a bowl every hour or so and works his ass off. It used to have the opposite effect on me.:sleepy:

[FEAROFRUNNER]

I havent smoked in 30 years, but I know a guy at work that smokes a bowl every hour or so and works his ass off. It used to have the opposite effect on me.:sleepy:

I feel ya, i don't know how people can function on that shit. If there is one way for me to fuck up on the bike or truck is working on it high. Now riding or driving when comming down from the high is a beautiful activity (away from people and other drivers of course :happy: )

[westdime]

I feel ya, i don't know how people can function on that shit. If there is one way for me to fuck up on the bike or truck is working on it high. Now riding or driving when comming down from the high is a beautiful activity (away from people and other drivers of course :happy: )
Yeah I really like drinking and driving to.........they go so good together.

[RAZOR]

:dizzy: duuuuuddee I cant remember what I was going to post.. :dunno:

[YO MUDA]

Bump

[Farther]

My older brother, who is a Viet Nam combat vet, smokes a bowl in the morning and one in the evening. He says it helps him far more than the drugs the VA keeps trying to make him take. I would never know he smoked at all if I didn't see it.

Fuckin' government and it's wars. We are going to have another wounded generation from this war too.

[Farther]

I could walk out of my room to get something out of the front room and by the time i got there i was like what the fuck was i doing again.... that was totally sobar.
Well guess what!! It's coming at ya again. Wait 'til you get to my age. I haven't smoked anything in 35 years but age is catching up with me now.

[firefighter212]

i will have to say that i seen too many things caused by alcohol-abuse,lost lives,broken homes.how many do you think that weed was involved?prob. very few.and on the stats. in the previous pages about car wrecks and mary-jane,how many of those were from people that just had it in their system from the previous day or weekend.The laws suck,i`d rather see the cops bustin child molesters and hard core criminals than some one that smokes recreational.I`ve been clean for years(because of my job and daughter)but i still kinda miss it.lol.much rather get into a vehicle with someone that smoked than drunk.imo.

[louielou]

definitely! other drugs, beer, and cigarettes are legal. Why not weed!

[Refresher07]

:thumbsup: ican't do it with my job now but when i could i could focus on what i was supposed to be focused on and not want to bullshit around just do it another thing tweed stays in your system for a lot longer time than alcohol and i dont think they have a weed breathalizer probly have to blood or pee test at hospital after accident......also i know alot of people that smoke cigarettes to cover the weed smell they would maybe even be able to quit smoken cigarettes

[Palmviewrider]

I love weed. Whether it should be legal or not? that should go to a majority vote, maybe more voters would turnout.

But, I do have vast experience smoking weed, couple of decades, and I'm under 40. There are some bad things about it, you seem to care about yourself less if you smoke it too much. Although not really physically addictive, it can get you psychologically attached, where you need it in order to feel ok, or to have any fun. Kind of the I cant go to the cookout without drinking beer, which is accepted in our society, but if you say I cant go to the cookout without getting high, then thats somehow a problem.

To me, it is my prescription medicine to calm me down, or to numb me up so things seem better, or to get a "better" or just different perspective.

I wouldnt like my kids to start smoking it though, they're only in elementary school, and if it were legalized, my kids would think it was normal to start smoking at a certain age, like people do with beer.

So I kind of like it being illegal. I've never had trouble buying any in the last 23 years, so whats the big deal? Jail, well you have to be smarter than the smelly pigs. If you get caught, thats your problem. But to throw a guy in jail or prison for having a couple of joints on them, thats just fuckeng ignorance, so.........

[750SpiritRdr]

So I kind of like it being illegal. I've never had trouble buying any in the last 23 years, so whats the big deal? Jail, well you have to be smarter than the smelly pigs. If you get caught, thats your problem. But to throw a guy in jail or prison for having a couple of joints on them, thats just fuckeng ignorance, so.........

Most cops I know will make you dump it out or crush it up and give you a ticket if all you have is a couple of joints. As long as your not a dick to them and don't lie.
A LOT of them are ex-potheads so they already know what your up to.
I've had one, in Jamaica Beach near Galveston, let me dump a ounce on the ground and just give the driver a warning ticket for speeding.(very cool dude)

I guess the only reason i'm taking up for the "pigs" is because most of my family are officers and i also ride with a bunch of cops. Cop's are some crazy fuckers when their off duty. We've pulled up on our bikes and had people smoking in front of us and not one person said a word. I think there was 6 officers with us at that time. And the people smoking had no clue.

[Palmviewrider]

Most cops I know will make you dump it out or crush it up and give you a ticket if all you have is a couple of joints. As long as your not a dick to them and don't lie.
A LOT of them are ex-potheads so they already know what your up to.
I've had one, in Jamaica Beach near Galveston, let me dump a ounce on the ground and just give the driver a warning ticket for speeding.(very cool dude)

I guess the only reason i'm taking up for the "pigs" is because most of my family are officers and i also ride with a bunch of cops. Cop's are some crazy fuckers when their off duty. We've pulled up on our bikes and had people smoking in front of us and not one person said a word. I think there was 6 officers with us at that time. And the people smoking had no clue.

True, but there are a lot of men and women in county jails, prisons, for just having small amounts of weed, like less than an ounce. I dont like cops, but I do realize that some of them are normal guys. I knew one way back, and he was a crazy drunk driver on the weekends, not a bike rider, but in his truck. He would be drunk as hell, passing everyone on the shoulder, and then on Monday arresting people for doing the same thing.

I live down here 1 mile from Mexico, so we have the border patrol and local police making busts several times a week, thousands of pounds of weed, and kilos of coke. Truckloads, carloads, semi loads full of drugs. Maybe those types of smugglers and dealers should get some time, but half a pound?

If we legalized it, then all these smugglers would go out of business down here. The wall is going up down here about 1 mile south of my house, maybe that will slow down the tons of weed coming through these farmlands down here everyday.

I still dont like cops, or judges, or mayors. The Starr County Sherriff down here just got raided by the FBI a couple of days ago. He's one of the biggest traffickers in the county, and every one knew it. Yet, look at the guys in the local jails, all smalltimers.

[YO MUDA]

I dont have a problem with the trafficers or the dealers going to the big house for it, but the people who use it just for personal use at home, thats another story. My wife and I stopped smoking after our first child, and that was 1978. I just thought id see everyones opinion on it.

[750SpiritRdr]

If it wasn't for my 9mo old and the good job i have now, i'd still be smoking.
Like my cousin(a cop) said "the day i retire i'll buy a sack and smoke till i fall out"
as for me about once a year I'll take a hit from a buddy's bong or a drag from a J.
Hell, i only stopped 2yrs a go.

[Turnsignal]

Yeah, I just hate when I cant remember where I put it. Like right now.

[rotorheadguy]

sup guys, im with you, should be legal. mostly so all you damn potheads will effing shut up about it. :laugh4:
i'm just messing, but still idk, i've heard this disscusion all my life, and i know it was
the same before i was here. it's kinda to the point where i get a little depressed
just hearing somebody talk about it again, cause i just dont think it'll ever happen.

maybe i'm wrong, i guess these things have to start with the people talking right?

good news tho a bunch of states have decriminalized possesion of small amounts.

my problem with the current system (I have alot of them) is not only filling the jails with non-violent "criminals"
and my tax dollars paying for it, but like the student that gets caught with a joint in his/her pocket, and loses
his/her finacial aid. no money = no school = a nation of uneducated people

and for what?

[750SpiritRdr]

another thing is, why put a functioning smoker in jail? The person who has a job and goes to work every day. Pays his/her bills and is a credit to society. That person is hurting no one.

[Raymo]

The folks in Fayetteville AR. have got this going on now: http://www.sensiblefayetteville.com/

[Palmviewrider]

another thing is, why put a functioning smoker in jail? The person who has a job and goes to work every day. Pays his/her bills and is a credit to society. That person is hurting no one.

Thats a good way to look at it.

If a guy or girl is taking care of theirself, their kids, has a house, cars, goes to church, helps neighbors, but chooses to smoke, that makes them a criminal?

On top of that, millions of americans take legal drugs everyday, drugs that have just been invented in the last few years, and these drugs are ok to take with a prescription. Then a few years down the road, they say, "oh sorry, thousands of people are having bad reactions, having major health problems, but we were FDA approved" or whatever.

I am real healthy, real responsible, maybe a tad too lazy, but since when is that a crime, and I have smoked too much. I just dont get why its sooooooo illegal, many mainstream people cringe when they hear about someone smoking weed, then they go take their 3 prescription drugs before bedtime:no:

[Palmviewrider]

The folks in Fayetteville AR. have got this going on now: http://www.sensiblefayetteville.com/

I think more cities will be doing this.

I think Denver already made it legal to have weed in your possession, its not a crime, but you pass outside the city limits, then it is.

To me though, its legal. Just keep it to yourself. I get mine at the drive thru, hahahha, 30 seconds or less.:freak:

[YO MUDA]

Bump fot the new guys

[Mr.Sinister]

I see it as a class issue. Rich people with perscription drugs fighting to keep poor people off any drugs.:no:

[Descending Spirit]

don't smoke much any more ,but if it was legal, iwould rather smoke than drink,its better for my body & my head,but thats just me.

[Mr.Sinister]

I would eat it in cookies. Better all around if you are worried about your health.

[Descending Spirit]

Point well taken, but i just mean in general usage i would choose weed over any kind of drink if it were legal to do so.

[firefighter212]

Have to say that back in the day i did my share,but now with my job and havin custody of my girl,i`m not gonna risk losin both.Not that i wouldn`t want to,the want is there.Just bigger priorites.

[Descending Spirit]

agreed ,losing a job these days would be tough

[team.xlr8]

The only reason its not legal now is because... theres more money in it being illegal than legal, between the fines and seized properties the gov. is making a killin on peoples like me would just grow it rather than buy a taxed product. The government keeps the dough in dope!
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[Descending Spirit]

hellyeah, it is just like dui's ,its not that the gov. gives a shit. its just like a business to them .the more money they take, the more they harrass people.

[Mr.Sinister]

Have to say that back in the day i did my share,but now with my job and havin custody of my girl,i`m not gonna risk losin both.Not that i wouldn`t want to,the want is there.Just bigger priorites. If it was legal that would not be a problem. I understand though, I have too many responsibilitys as well. Too much to lose.

[Mr.Sinister]

The only reason its not legal now is because... theres more money in it being illegal than legal, between the fines and seized properties the gov. is making a killin on peoples like me would just grow it rather than buy a taxed product. The government keeps the dough in dope! I disagree. I think it is an old control issue. That in time it will be legalised. It is not about money it is about control. It has been mostley decriminalized in most forward thinking citys and states. If it is only a small amount. I think they spend more fighting it than they make. People will disagree on this point.

[Descending Spirit]

I think it is both control and money, to have us conform into their perfect little world,and have a way to justify taking our money and lining their own pockets and say they r doing something GOOD with our money. THOSE BASTARDS ANYWAYS!!!

[airbrush addict]

I really don't care either way!! I rarely even drink anymore...

But with 13 acres of land maybe I can make some xtra cash if it was legal.

I wonder if it would qualify for an agricultural tax exemtion???

[shadow247]

I really don't care either way!! I rarely even drink anymore...

But with 13 acres of land maybe I can make some xtra cash if it was legal.

I wonder if it would qualify for an agricultural tax exemtion???

Here's my take!

Lets say they legalize it for sale and use.

The rules will be the same as alchohol.

You need a permit to sell or produce it. - If you get caught growing without a permit the penalties will still be the same as they are now. They will not just give growing permits to any Tom, Dick, or Harry. You can bet that only large corporations would be given the licenses to grow, especially if they licenses are regulated by the Fed instead of the states as it should be.

You can be arrested for being under the influence in public or while driving. - To the law intoxication is intoxication. You can already be arrested for being under the influence of marijuana while driving or in public so this is not a new law.

Open Container ticket - If you've a got a joint in your ashtray that's the same penalty as an open can of beer. If it's in your trunk then you are in the clear, since you can't anymore smoke a joint that's in your trunk than you can drink a beer.


that said I am still all for the legalization of Marijauana. There are some interesting statistics out there that if you match them up you will see some very disturbing trends in our society. LIke the fact that as the number of non-violent drug offenders in prison has risen, so has the number of single mothers on welfare. This is a fact and can be supported by many studies out there if you just put the numbers together.

I have been smoking for 10 years now. I make a good living and I don't get in trouble. I rarely go out to the clubs or bars and drink. I just like to have a good toke on a daily basis. It keeps me on the straight and narrow and basically keeps me from wanting to strangle every stupid person that encounter on a daily basis! I could be taking prozac but then I would want to kill myself. I could be on any number of other "psycho" drugs as I like to put them, but I don't want to deal with side effects such as, insomnia, vomiting, diarrhea, and weight gain! So you've got your happy pill to keep you happy, then you've got one to keep you from vomiting, except that one makes you gain weight also, so you've got to be on a strict diet to keep from gaining weight at an incredible pace! I can smoke a bowl and be much happier and not have to worry to remember to take my medicine. If i forget to smoke a bowl one day I don't flip out, as I have seen many of my very own family members do that were taking various "psycho" drugs.

[mike217]

smook on the water

[Cuzzi1]

this thread is awesome. legalize it. it's only a matter of time. it's almost legal in CA. medicinal cards are easier to get than a paper cut.

[YO MUDA]

bump

[Beaker]

this thread is awesome. legalize it. it's only a matter of time. it's almost legal in CA. medicinal cards are easier to get than a paper cut.

Ha Ha! The population of California is a good reason NOT to legalize it! They don't call it DOPE for nothing!:drink:

[RescueXJ]

I personally don't care either way. But to say "legalize it and tax it" will make a ton of money is a bunch of horseshit. There is untold more amounts of money generated by policing it, drug programs, all sorts of stuff.

Unfortunately I get drug tested for work, but every now and again I just plain old don't have a fuckin thing to do, I wouldn't mind getting lit up while I get my drink on. That always got my eyes chinese looking in a hurry

[Raymo]

Ha Ha! The population of California is a good reason NOT to legalize it! They don't call it DOPE for nothing!:drink:

Don't hold California against the rest of us Bro!

[Beaker]

Don't hold California against the rest of us Bro!

I don't (I really want to see that State some day). We have a saying up here though; "If a stupid Bill or law is passed in California, Canada will be the next one to adopt it (while most of the other U.S. states are busy trying to fight it)".

[Romparoo]

I'm going to have to go with no, sorry smokers. I do agree that there needs to be better discretion when it comes to arresting and imprisioning someone for a joint vs the ones who violently sell/distribute.

[750SpiritRdr]

I personally don't care either way. But to say "legalize it and tax it" will make a ton of money is a bunch of horseshit. There is untold more amounts of money generated by policing it, drug programs, all sorts of stuff.

might be horseshit to you but look at all the money that gets spent putting people in jail for extended periods of time for having a personal amount of bud on them...look at the overcrowding of the jails, look at how much money get spent to keep people who smoke a joint in jail -how can you say it generates money to police it when it cost mony to get officers out on the streets busting people or trying to make drug deals for a half an ounce of bud when they could be spending that time getting a rapist off the streets or cracking down on a drug like crack or crank or meth...it's all the same monster.
As far as the drug programs go, there are very few people in there that are there announcing - "i'm here because i smoke pot"
So give me a better reason than that as to why we shouldn't tax the shit out of it and make it legal. Even if they do make it legal having more than a "pack" on you at any given time would be a crime and you would get a ticket...another way to make more $


i haven't smoked in years BTW.

[VT1100Lee]

OK, I read this whole thread and couldn't help adding my $.02 worth. I smoked weed for 30 years. I've smoked everything from Mexican to Sensi. I pretty much quit about a year ago but will take a toke on occasion. That being said, there were a lot of great points made in this thread about legalization, effects, gov. intervention etc. IMHO it should be decriminalized. It is such a double standard when you compare it to other legal drugs. You know the whole negative perception got started with the Refer Madness scare of the 20's. I have known hundreds of people who smoke pot and never saw or heard of anyone jumping out of a skyscraper window or hacking their parents up into little pieces when they were stoned (on pot). Our lawmakers are disconnected with the general population and they think they are doing good for the people by passing laws that infringe on our freedom. Maybe someday we will have lawmakers that are more in touch with reality and we will get some of our freedoms back, but I wouldn't count on it. Until then we must go to our little hiding places to get our heads adjusted. What a country! I will always love smoking pot.

[blawil2784]

Its a conspiricy man....... Yomuda you picked a good one to talk about. So far everybody has had a good opinion on this subject. I would like it to be legalized because beer is making me fat and when i drink I get brave like alot of people do and Im a happy drunk but alcohol does make some people be an asshole. Im not a big smoker because I have to take random drug test and its not worth losing my job with the times like they are. If you watch COPS you will see most domestic violence calls are to drunk peoples house or when cops get hit during a traffic stop the people are drunk. Now weed could do the same to some people to but it all depends on how that person reacts to it. I have friends that smoke and they dont seem to get into as much trouble or drama as the ones who drink. There was a good point made earlier not as many people smoke because its illegal (although you would be suprised as to how many people do smoke grass) so I dont know if crime or traffic deaths would go up. I know when I used to smoke I would be to lazy to get behind the wheel but when I would drink I would turn the radio up and haul ass. Another good point was about people who take prescription meds ive taken those for recreation also and those are bad news people are always overdosing and drinkers could get alcohol poising ive never heard heard of people over dosing on weed. If you go to a Lynyrd Skynrd concert your gona see a fight because there is a bunch of drunk rednecks and thats what alcohol does. If you go to a Widespread Panic concert ( I hate that band by the way ) everybody is mellow and happy. I would like it to be legal so I could buy a pound or two for my boss so he would calm the fuck down he is a asshole. I would smoke that shit if it were legal. I would also keep drinkin cause i like my BEER.

[YO MUDA]

Bump

[cjones]

legal or illegal how many smokers do you know that will stop if its not. i figure if it is illegal you have to suffer the consequences if your caught with it, i wish they would legalize it so i didn't have to worry about it but its not gonna stop me

[Fungi]

make it legal so they can pay the same damn taxes we have to pay on cigs and booze.

[Dcfam]

Don't you think people are already dumb enough.........

[welby]

Ha Ha! The population of California is a good reason NOT to legalize it! They don't call it DOPE for nothing!:drink:

Actually it's called "dope", along with many other drugs (cocaine and amphetamines at the top of the list), because it increases the amount of dopamine in the brain. Different drugs affect the amount of dopamine in different ways. Some imitate natural neuromediators (full and partial agonists), some increase the secretion of natural neuromediators, and others block natural neuromediators. One of these is acohol. Alcohol, while affecting the leves of seretonin, acetylcholine and other neuromediators, also nulifies the enzyme that breaks dopamine down, increasing the levels of dopamine in the brain in a somewhat similar fashion to ... ... wait for it .. . .. Marijuana.


Don't you think people are already dumb enough.........

To quote the great comedian Bill Hicks. "If you don't believe that drugs have done some good thinks for us, then do me a favor I want you to go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, all your cd's and burn em'. Because you know what, all those musicians that have made all that great music that has enhanced your life throughout the years ... rrrreeeeeeeaaaaaaaaallllll fucking high on drugs."

And it's not just music, it's all forms of art. It's philosophy and science, especially astronomy. I mean come on, you telling me that Carl Sagan never chiffed a jeeb?

[Pez]

I realize that you all want to smoke your dope and personally please do. The damage it does to the brain is not reversible and in the end only helps me get ahead of the rest of the pack. Please don't get taken by bad stats though, in your justification to gel your own brain. My first fiance, was killed by a shithead on dope who thought the blood looked cool. After running a stop sign that he said wasnt his fault ("it wasnt lit up dude"), he t-boned her car, then sat there and watched her bleed "duuuuuuuude too cool". Duuuuuuuude just get out of jail already please.

[team.xlr8]

This thread is titled "mary jane yes or no" and I dont refer to reefer as dope. Dope in my mind is way different, your chemical substances like crank & coke as well as prescription drugs are what I call Dope. PEZ, Bro I dont know anyone who has smoked weed regular for any period of time that has "gelled" their brain or caused the death of anyone under its influence. As a matter of fact, I myself have pulled-off some pretty outstanding feats and all were done while sporting a pretty good "buzz".So Im just saying dont confuse mary jane with the more sinister drugs that the fucker was probably using. Marijauna should be legallized. MJ has got my vote ...YES :Peace!:

[shadow247]

The only reason that Marijuana is illegal is quite simple. In the early 20th century Hemp was poised to replace Cotton as the textile of choice for manufacturing clothes and paper. It could be produced at a lower cost which to the Cotton producers was a threat, so they used the power of their lobby to convince the Federal Government that Marijuana was "evil" and that it should be taxed. When that did not slow it's consumption it was made outright illegal to grow, produce, or consume marijuana. The "War on Drugs" is just a war against US citizens who mostly just want to be left alone to do what they choose behind closed doors.

[Dragon74]

I'm an old pot head...before I became a dad...and I just wanted to watch TV and eat sweets, not try other drugs or drive 100 mph on the freeway....leagalize it and tax the crap out of it....it could help pay off our Bazillion dollar deficiet.

[shadow247]

I'm an old pot head...before I became a dad...and I just wanted to watch TV and eat sweets, not try other drugs or drive 100 mph on the freeway....leagalize it and tax the crap out of it....it could help pay off our Bazillion dollar deficiet.

We need something, because if we are all driving 35mpg cars by 2016 then gas tax revenues will fall so they are going to have to get the money from somewhere!

[ol puddin head]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I used to hit the trees harder than Sonny Bono...........

[sk8er408]

Oh no!!!!

[GigaS27]

If they make it legal, don't you think people would just grow it and not spend money on buying it? So the tax on it to make money would be worthless. I mean i understand there will still be buyers, but i can guarantee 70% will be growing it themselves.

[apache driver]

I thought this was a Honda Shadow forum!

[750SpiritRdr]

anything goes in the general discussion area

[YO MUDA]

If they make it legal, don't you think people would just grow it and not spend money on buying it? So the tax on it to make money would be worthless. I mean i understand there will still be buyers, but i can guarantee 70% will be growing it themselves.I dont know, people dont grow their own tobacco or brew their own beer. Well ok some people do. But our sociaty is made up of mostly overweight, lazy, I want it now types.

[GigaS27]

But our sociaty is made up of mostly overweight, lazy, I want it now types.


So true, but sad.

[team.xlr8]

good point YO MUDA, I m,yself would probably grow a bit of select, but theres no way i could grow all id wanna burn so Id buy and due my American duty of paying the TAX.

[shadow247]

good point YO MUDA, I m,yself would probably grow a bit of select, but theres no way i could grow all id wanna burn so Id buy and due my American duty of paying the TAX.

True that! I would probably have my own private stash but still buy over the counter stuff to smoke too.

[Belac]

I don't grow my own hogs.. . but I still eat the shit out of pulled pork.

[Belac]

Ohhhhh. Pullllled Porrrrk!!!!!

I guess I've got the muchies again. I better start smokin. (the pork or the bud, you'll never know. Ok both.)

[YO MUDA]

Bump

[orange750]

Yes

[dirtwarrior]

yes

[simplemangw]

Well...... My belief is that it has its pros and cons just as alcohol. People are still gona do it regardless and yes the tax part would benefit the individula states.

[CheeseMan316]

Should it be, yes. Do I do it, no. Would I, probably less often than I drink (once every few months).

[Dallas]

What pisses me off is that I'm not hurting anyone else. If it were legal I would be able to save a lot of money and would have a beautiful and great smelling yard.

[Dallas]

Bump

Not bad on a rare occarion either.

[88 VT1100]

What pisses me off is that I'm not hurting anyone else. If it were legal I would be able to save a lot of money and would have a beautiful and great smelling yard.

And we could solve the national dephosit in a year if the man would just put a tax on it...

[Raymo]

Not bad on a rare occarion either.

And those occarions are getting rarer by the minute!

[Raymo]

This explains it all! Hey McVierh, now I know why I'm the way I am!

http://www.rational.org/blog/60/

[VT1100Lee]

Oh no!!!!

Why the hell not?

[ol puddin head]

yep. smoked a national forest of the shit in my 20's. still occasionally like to head to my own shop on the weekends, wake and bake, and work on something.:stoned:

[88 VT1100]

Hell yeah, I miss the wake and bake days...

[Metalhead]

Never smoked it, and never will. But think it should definitely be legal. It's WAY better to be stoned than drunk and alcohol is legal. Stoners are not bad asses, not "mean drunks", and always in a cool out mood. I say put an age limit on it and put in bars, just like alcohol.

[VT1100Lee]

Never smoked it, and never will. But think it should definitely be legal. It's WAY better to be stoned than drunk and alcohol is legal. Stoners are not bad asses, not "mean drunks", and always in a cool out mood. I say put an age limit on it and put in bars, just like alcohol.

Seems like there are a lot of people with this same opinion. Makes me wonder why it is still illegal. It's like the lawmakers are just waiting for some reason to justify their whacked out thinking.

I have been smoking pot for almost 40 years and I have never jumped out of a window of a tall building to see if I could fly. I never went on a crazed freak-out and murdered my parents. I can think rationally. I don't steal and rob to support my habit and I have never gotten a ticket for being too stoned to drive. Now on the other hand, I have been in barroom brawls, pulled over for being too drunk too drive and woke up many a morning with a raging hangover from drinking.

When you compare pot to alcohol it's like comparing a cap pistol to a shotgun and yet you can legally buy alcohol at practically any food store. We are truly a society of double standards. :smoking:

[firefighter212]

Think about this,most lawmakers(not all)probably have never smoked it and strictly go by what other people say,which are people that have never smoked it.Pot is Bad,makes you do crazy things and so forth.They are not educated or should i say experienced in the hobby.I agree with the consensus that it should be to a point.There are people out there that will do the stupid shit that has been mentioned,jumping out of windows,murderous rampages while under the influence.Those people were going to do it anyway weather high or not.The media needs as well as the public needs to know why they done it,an excuse so to speak for the actions of an individual.Not the fact that they were a dumbass to begin with and stupidity is not a good answer for most.They use the smoking pot as an escape goat,so until they can find something else to blame stupidity on,pot is the best one for now.

[rschaff123]

I used to smoke in high school but never did it every day. Since school i have smoked maybe 15 times since then. Almost every one of thoes times after school years I hated it because I was drunk when I smoked and I hate the feeling that pot and booze combined gives you. I did it about 5 months ago I smoked it when I was sober for the first time since I can remember and it was pretty fun. Sorry but I much rather do a line than smoke weed.

Yes weed should be legal! Sell it like cigs and tax the living hell outta it, with suply cost and taxes it shouldnt cost any more than it does now. It would create alot of jobs and help us dig our way out of obummers insaine spending.

[ct.russ]

it should be legal however have you seen what is done to the cost.. up here an oz is 150 for mids

[fotocycle]

Fuck no it shouldn't be legal. I already have to deal with drunk assholes on the road, the stink of cigarettes everywhere, and shitheads who throw their cigarette butts out the window when I'm riding behind them. Now I'd have to deal with the nasty stink of weed too? (Yes, it fucking stinks.) Are you fucking kidding me?

South Florida has more than its fair share of stoned drivers - you can smell the stench from several cars behind. They're going slow as fuck and have the reaction time of a one-legged geezer on a walker. Yeah, I want some more of those assholes out on the road, right?

And no, I've never done it, I'm barely a social drinker, and I don't smoke cigarettes. So when I bitch about this shit, I'm not being a hypocrite. Drugs, alcohol, and cell phones should never be sold over the counter to anyone with car keys in their pocket. Wanna get high or drunk? Whatever, I won't preach here. But do everyone else a favor and fucking stay home when you do. It's not my problem then.

[VT1100Lee]

Fuck no it shouldn't be legal. I already have to deal with drunk assholes on the road, the stink of cigarettes everywhere, and shitheads who throw their cigarette butts out the window when I'm riding behind them. Now I'd have to deal with the nasty stink of weed too? (Yes, it fucking stinks.) Are you fucking kidding me?

South Florida has more than its fair share of stoned drivers - you can smell the stench from several cars behind. They're going slow as fuck and have the reaction time of a one-legged geezer on a walker. Yeah, I want some more of those assholes out on the road, right?

And no, I've never done it, I'm barely a social drinker, and I don't smoke cigarettes. So when I bitch about this shit, I'm not being a hypocrite. Drugs, alcohol, and cell phones should never be sold over the counter to anyone with car keys in their pocket. Wanna get high or drunk? Whatever, I won't preach here. But do everyone else a favor and fucking stay home when you do. It's not my problem then.

Chill out man, smoke a bone, calm down. It's not that bad out there. I spent half my life in Gainesville (weed central) and I lived through it. Maybe you should give it a try, you never know, it may give you a whole new perspective.

[welby]

Fuck no it shouldn't be legal. I already have to deal with drunk assholes on the road, the stink of cigarettes everywhere, and shitheads who throw their cigarette butts out the window when I'm riding behind them. Now I'd have to deal with the nasty stink of weed too? (Yes, it fucking stinks.) Are you fucking kidding me?

South Florida has more than its fair share of stoned drivers - you can smell the stench from several cars behind. They're going slow as fuck and have the reaction time of a one-legged geezer on a walker. Yeah, I want some more of those assholes out on the road, right?

And no, I've never done it, I'm barely a social drinker, and I don't smoke cigarettes. So when I bitch about this shit, I'm not being a hypocrite. Drugs, alcohol, and cell phones should never be sold over the counter to anyone with car keys in their pocket. Wanna get high or drunk? Whatever, I won't preach here. But do everyone else a favor and fucking stay home when you do. It's not my problem then.

Sounds like you gotta loosen up a little bit. I'm not necessarily suggesting you try weed or have a couple vodka-Collins and relax but just lighten up a bit or you're gonna have fucking stroke. I'm a naturally mellow guy but after reading your post I felt like I wanted to strangle a kitten, fuck man.

[fotocycle]

It's very possible I'm having a bad day, but the only thing that could change on a better day would be the wording. I'd still have the same feelings about it. You get really fed up with the stupid shit people do on the road when you ride in Miami every day for five years (G-Ville can't even compare, I've been there many times). I only moved to Fort Lauderdale a couple of years ago, it's north of Miami, and it's a little bit better.

But yeah welby, don't strangle any kittens tonight, man. I'm just an angry mofo, lol. Admittedly, I'm a lot angrier lately, but weed is the last thing that would help me right now. I've seen its effects on enough friends to know that I just don't need that in my life.

A new job, new location, more money, sure. Weed? Nah.

[ol puddin head]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sounds like you gotta loosen up a little bit. I'm not necessarily suggesting you try weed or have a couple vodka-Collins and relax but just lighten up a bit or you're gonna have fucking stroke. I'm a naturally mellow guy but after reading your post I felt like I wanted to strangle a kitten, fuck man.

[YO MUDA]

I respect your opinion.

[SVLX]

Legalize it. if you want to wage a war on drugs you have to hit the cartels in the wallet. . Oh yeah, who are the cartels? Give it up it's not gonna happen.

[BamaShadow]

Yes it should be legal. First off, it would cut down on the crime rate. I mean come on, if you're stoned you've got no desire or motivation to commit a crime. Hell, if it's good shit, you can't even peel your ass off the couch to get something to eat! If it weren't for the randoms at work, i'd be high right now.

[ct.russ]

i dont think it was ever suggested that it would be ok to smoke and drive .. it should be treated just as any other dui .. i also have family out their .. yes ill cut you off now cuz im sure it will happen .. and more so when legal .. but hay more money for our LOCAL government .. with youre point of view what will be next .. no licences tell 20 turn them in at 60 ??? everyone should be a case by case

[fotocycle]

I respect your opinion.

Thanks. I respect yours as well, and those of others that disagree with my view (as most people in this thread probably do, judging from the poll results).

i dont think it was ever suggested that it would be ok to smoke and drive .. it should be treated just as any other dui .. i also have family out their .. yes ill cut you off now cuz im sure it will happen .. and more so when legal .. but hay more money for our LOCAL government .. with youre point of view what will be next .. no licences tell 20 turn them in at 60 ??? everyone should be a case by case

Like you said, it's a given that driving while stoned will increase if it's legalized, so now the stats for DUI crashes would increase even more. Just what we need, right?

Don't assume you know my point of view, though - I'll contradict myself and say that I'm not big on big government. I'm liberal, but moderate (betcha can't guess whom I voted for?). There shouldn't be a need to save people from themselves, but on the other hand, why make it even easier to get in a car and DUI with yet another substance? Now if I were really liberal (and had voted for Ol' Bamy), I would say that instead of legalizing pot, we should make alcohol illegal as well. Now wouldn't that be a pisser?

How about this: Legalize your pot, keep your alcohol too, but if you're caught with a DUI you go to jail for a year, and if you killed someone, you go to jail for life. Sound good? Because it's not manslaughter if you weren't forced to drink so much that you lost your ability to drive safely. That's a choice you make at the bar or at the party, or wherever.

I could live with that.

[welby]

Thanks. I respect yours as well, and those of others that disagree with my view (as most people in this thread probably do, judging from the poll results).



Like you said, it's a given that driving while stoned will increase if it's legalized, so now the stats for DUI crashes would increase even more. Just what we need, right?

Don't assume you know my point of view, though - I'll contradict myself and say that I'm not big on big government. I'm liberal, but moderate (betcha can't guess whom I voted for?). There shouldn't be a need to save people from themselves, but on the other hand, why make it even easier to get in a car and DUI with yet another substance? Now if I were really liberal (and had voted for Ol' Bamy), I would say that instead of legalizing pot, we should make alcohol illegal as well. Now wouldn't that be a pisser?

How about this: Legalize your pot, keep your alcohol too, but if you're caught with a DUI you go to jail for a year, and if you killed someone, you go to jail for life. Sound good? Because it's not manslaughter if you weren't forced to drink so much that you lost your ability to drive safely. That's a choice you make at the bar or at the party, or wherever.

I could live with that.

Bob Barr?

You're definately right about the problem of driving under the influence. You'll see all kinds of statistics on how many accidents involved alcohol or marijuana however we have NO idea how those studies were conducted, what criteria were used, how big the sample group was, or just how biased the information itself is. We will also never see a statistic on how many people made it home safe and sound, driving perfectly along the way. We will also never see a statistic for how many guys had 2 light beers at happy hour then ran over a blind lady in front of a bus stop on his way home because he was too busy staring in the rear-view mirror looking for cops because he's terrified of the .08 DUI law.

What I'm saying is that it should all be based on an individual bases. Some people can smoke a joint or drink a few beers and be able to drive flawlessly. Then you've got the 90 lb college girl who takes two shots of tequila, fucks half the guys in her dorm, then hops in her Civic and mow's down an entire swarm of protestors outside of the 24 hour abortion clinic on her way into the parking lot. You should be able to take a DUI driving test, and if you pass it when your BAC is a .12 then you get a license that says you're ok to drive up to .12. It'd be like corrective lenses or an endorsement on your license of some sort.

[fotocycle]

Bob Barr?

You're definately right about the problem of driving under the influence. You'll see all kinds of statistics on how many accidents involved alcohol or marijuana however we have NO idea how those studies were conducted, what criteria were used, how big the sample group was, or just how biased the information itself is. We will also never see a statistic on how many people made it home safe and sound, driving perfectly along the way. We will also never see a statistic for how many guys had 2 light beers at happy hour then ran over a blind lady in front of a bus stop on his way home because he was too busy staring in the rear-view mirror looking for cops because he's terrified of the .08 DUI law.

What I'm saying is that it should all be based on an individual bases. Some people can smoke a joint or drink a few beers and be able to drive flawlessly. Then you've got the 90 lb college girl who takes two shots of tequila, fucks half the guys in her dorm, then hops in her Civic and mow's down an entire swarm of protestors outside of the 24 hour abortion clinic on her way into the parking lot. You should be able to take a DUI driving test, and if you pass it when your BAC is a .12 then you get a license that says you're ok to drive up to .12. It'd be like corrective lenses or an endorsement on your license of some sort.

I suppose there are people that can smoke a joint and hold up better than others, and there are batches of pot that are much stronger than others as well. I guess it could be just like holding one's liquor. (Where's that girl with the Civic? She sounds kinda cool, lol.)

My original point, though, was that when considering legalizing weed you have to consider how it's going to affect the general public. If you want to legalize it just so you can smoke it in your own home, it's your problem. But you'll have to accept that many people will be smoking and driving, and from seeing it often enough on the road here, it's not something I want.

[InsaneWizayne]

I used to smoke the fuck out of it but don't any more. I only think it should be legalized for medicinal purposes.

We have enough idiots running the streets without people being stoned out of their fucking minds. I know it's been said that people smoking weed don't cause trouble or accidents and for the most part that is true but I have had some excellent shit before that would damn near make you a zombie...laced I'm sure but WOW!!!

I'm not sure if I'd smoke it if it was legalized but I damn sure ain't loosing my job over it.

[Raymo]

I used to smoke the fuck out of it but don't any more. I only think it should be legalized for medicinal purposes.

We have enough idiots running the streets without people being stoned out of their fucking minds. I know it's been said that people smoking weed don't cause trouble or accidents and for the most part that is true but I have had some excellent shit before that would damn near make you a zombie...laced I'm sure but WOW!!!

I'm not sure if I'd smoke it if it was legalized but I damn sure ain't loosing my job over it.

Well Bro, if it's laced that's a different story.

[Evil Lurker]

Nooooooo... marijuana should not be legalized. If it was legalized then people could grow low THC hemp. All that hemp would cross pollinate with with peoples legal grown pot taking potency on the next generation waaaaaay down.

Think of all the prison and criminal justice jobs lost. That would mean more money the government could spend on socialist programs! OMFG!

[S.A.cowboy]

/\ LOL /\

I don't remember if I posted in this thread or not and it is far too long to go though,

Anyways, I don't see a reason that it should not be legal. Alcohol is legal, and in my opinion has about the same effect, more or less. Put in place the same rules as alcohol such as no driving or going to work stoned and whats the difference?

I probably would not do it, or at least, not much because I don't really care for the feeling, just knocks me the fuck out and then gives me a headache and I did enough of it as a teen to know it sure was not just one bad joint that does it to me. Would be great to have on hand if I was having trouble getting to sleep though.

[InsaneWizayne]

What I said above I believe true....but! I never truly understood the reason for it being illegal....it's not processed and made something that it is not already like cocaine, crack, meth or hell.....prescription medicine and alcohol.

It's a natural plant had has some really good benefits to it although it does fuck your memory up...just ask me, I know.

[billace]

from what I understand it was made illegal during the depression as an excuse to export mexicans back home. that way they couldn't take jobs from americans. do not know if this is true, but I saw it in a documentary. the only problem with legalizing it is how to police it. once it is legal a field sobriety test is never going to get you a D.U.I. conviction anymore. the argument will be that alcohol has a scientific test called the breathalizer. you coiuld test blood but THC stays in your system longer than alcohol. also you would need to do extensive testing to see how long the effects really last. i.e. when does your impairment to drive end. how long after you smoke can you safely operate machinery. is it hours? even though it stays in your blood longer? just my .02

[CheeseMan316]

from what I understand it was made illegal during the depression as an excuse to export mexicans back home. that way they couldn't take jobs from americans. do not know if this is true, but I saw it in a documentary. the only problem with legalizing it is how to police it. once it is legal a field sobriety test is never going to get you a D.U.I. conviction anymore. the argument will be that alcohol has a scientific test called the breathalizer. you coiuld test blood but THC stays in your system longer than alcohol. also you would need to do extensive testing to see how long the effects really last. i.e. when does your impairment to drive end. how long after you smoke can you safely operate machinery. is it hours? even though it stays in your blood longer? just my .02

I am not a scientist, but I am positive that a test has been, or could be, developed to test the level of THC active in your system. It's just that the current tests only case if you have smoked in the past month, not the past hour.

[KingPits4Life]

The cop could just carry a box of munchies around, and if the DUI suspect digs in, they are busted...IDK, JMO

:stoned:

[Raymo]

My son got a DUI-Marijuana last year.

[KingPits4Life]

My son got a DUI-Marijuana last year.

yeah they can usually tell if your stoned:huh:. Especially if your smokin when they pull you over. :bomb:

[welby]

My son got a DUI-Marijuana last year.

I'd like to hear the story behind this, if you don't mind. Driving/DUI/field sobriety test is one of the big concerns with legalizing it. Like I said before, they're worried about the WRONG drugs here. You know what other drugs there aren't field sobriety tests or breathalyzers to test for? PILLS! we are a fucking society full of over medicated zombies. Legal scrips, illegal pills, pain killers, SSRI's, SNRI's, anti-anxiety, anti-anti-anxiety. There are more people dredging around this country everyday zonked out of their fucking minds like Mr. Burns (if you've seen this Simpsons episode then you know what I'm talking about).

No one is testing the overstressed, underapprecciated mother of 12 who just tossed back 3 zanax and half a glass of wine at 2pm just so she can tote her entire clown car full of kids around, to band practice and soccer games and fucking dentist appointments, without going nuts and driving the entire minivan full o' offspring into a fucking lake.

The same people that are afraid of marijuana being legalized and can't stand all those damn hippies that are fighting for it, are the same people that take their kids to the doctor at the first sign of the little fucker acting out and actually having a real personallity of his own, and they get him a perscription for Paxil or Ritalin or whatever the new pill is that will now send him on his daily trip to zombie-land. All of those man-made, lab rat drugs are just fine, but an all natural plant is the fruitz of the devil himself .... good logic.

[CheeseMan316]

The cop could just carry a box of munchies around, and if the DUI suspect digs in, they are busted...IDK, JMO

:stoned:

But that test would be biased based on the fact that fat people such as myself couldn't resist the munchies either.

[CheeseMan316]

You know what other drugs there aren't field sobriety tests or breathalyzers to test for? PILLS!

That's why the primary field test is a motor skills test and not a breathalyzer. That's also why, at least in PA, they changed it from DWI (driving while intoxicated) to DUI (driving under the influence) so that they can legitimize the offense for non-alcohol related impairment.

[KingPits4Life]

But that test would be biased based on the fact that fat people such as myself couldn't resist the munchies either.

:lol:

[welby]

That's why the primary field test is a motor skills test and not a breathalyzer. That's also why, at least in PA, they changed it from DWI (driving while intoxicated) to DUI (driving under the influence) so that they can legitimize the offense for non-alcohol related impairment.

Well, that's a good and a bad thing. Good thing is that can be used to help the legalization of marijuana argument. Bad thing is that it's leaving it up to the cops discretion.

[Dallas]

If I'm not mistaken, in about 90% of the studies pot smokers drove slower and more careful than sober people. And as far as memory goes. I have friends that have smoked for 40 years and are the same age as my parents who have never smoked in their life. Their short term memories are about the same. Memory goes with age and some potheads were born fucking idiots.

[billace]

If I'm not mistaken, in about 90% of the studies pot smokers drove slower and more careful than sober people. And as far as memory goes. I have friends that have smoked for 40 years and are the same age as my parents who have never smoked in their life. Their short term memories are about the same. Memory goes with age and some potheads were born fucking idiots.I agree about driving slower but your reflexes are still fucked. I know from first hand experience.

[CheeseMan316]

Well, that's a good and a bad thing. Good thing is that can be used to help the legalization of marijuana argument. Bad thing is that it's leaving it up to the cops discretion.

The skills test of a field sobriety test is always discretionary. That's why if probably cause is found (acting all stupid and impaired) they proceed to blood/breath test.

[VoodooMaster]

Legalize it. Im tired of being a wannabe Outlaw.....

[CheeseMan316]

Legalize it. Im tired of being a wannabe Outlaw.....

Well played voodoo....lol

[YO MUDA]

Bump:stoned:

[Induray]

If they do, I am taking up gardening for sure!!!

[Timinator]

If they do, I am taking up gardening for sure!!!

Can you imagine the BIG, BEAUTIFUL, PURPLE BUD you could get on those babies with some MIRACLE GROW??????


On that I think I'm going out to the garage for a few minutes. :stoned:

[GREG LANE]

I don't smoke but Here in Cal Dr.s all over will give you a note to buy it for any reason you say you need it. Oh my Knee hurts there you go.

[d-kord]

i dont smoke it, i think it should be legal, only prob is then the government will get rich off it. my 2c

[Evil Lurker]

Its embarrasing the article in the local paper.

The local drug task force executed a search warrant on a residence last week. Posted in the picture of what was taken was three spoons with some suspicious blue residue on them, a straw cut in half used as a tooter, some scales, and some 23 grams of pot. The five individuals in the house at that time were slapped with felony marijuana possession with intent to resale.

Thats bullshit in my opinion. There is no tellings how much it costed the government in wasted man hours in the bust. My guess is at least 100 man hours probably more. Each individual is charged with possession with intent to resale. How can 5 people be in possession of three baggies of pot and each one intending to sell their contents? That is really bullshit in my opinion. And all of this over an amount of marijuana that in several states would be a misdemeanor quantity punishable by a civil fine and no jail time.

The whole war on drugs is slowly coming to a close with the governments spending itself into the shitter... soon they won't be able to lock up all the offenders, people are becoming tolerant in their acceptance of pot smokers, and eventually the government will be forced to decriminalize pot.

[hemijeep1]

As dave matthews said "maybe if the politicians of the world sat back and listened to some DMB the world wouldn't be as fucked up as it is."

[Metalhead]

Fuck off NOOB SPAMMER!!

[nstewa01]

Let's make everyone's life easier and just legalize it already!

[Timinator]

Let's make everyone's life easier and just legalize it already!


You should run for office.....I would vote for ya!!!

[Pecos]

I got arrested for a roach once. Noone here can possibly tell me that was logical or understandable. I know what the law says and yes it is illegal, but weight with paper was less than a half of a grams. That's half the weight of a standard paperclip. And the jailers and officer had to listen to me bitch and sing the first 2 lines of "This is the song that never ends" for 45 mins before coming to the realization that I had already had someone come down and pay the fine. Judge told me in court that it was less than trivial and the fine was paid in full in less than 2 hours. Shit never hit my record. Waste of time and money dealing with simple cases like that takes it's toll on a budget that could be used for the enforcement of drug laws for far more dangerous drugs. My .02, if you disagree say so. I can argue this shit all day.

[Induray]

I consider myself a fiscal conservative(minimum goverment ,private market) and a social liberal. You are responsible for yourself. So if you want to use drugs so be it as long as you do not infringe on others people's right. That's my take!

[YO MUDA]

Anybody got the munchies?

[EddieMac]

Should be like beer.

If you want to buy it, it should be taxed and sold to adults.

If you want to brew/grow your own for your own consumption, that should be cool too.

[Raymo]

Thanks. I respect yours as well, and those of others that disagree with my view (as most people in this thread probably do, judging from the poll results).



Like you said, it's a given that driving while stoned will increase if it's legalized, so now the stats for DUI crashes would increase even more. Just what we need, right?

Don't assume you know my point of view, though - I'll contradict myself and say that I'm not big on big government. I'm liberal, but moderate (betcha can't guess whom I voted for?). There shouldn't be a need to save people from themselves, but on the other hand, why make it even easier to get in a car and DUI with yet another substance? Now if I were really liberal (and had voted for Ol' Bamy), I would say that instead of legalizing pot, we should make alcohol illegal as well. Now wouldn't that be a pisser?

How about this: Legalize your pot, keep your alcohol too, but if you're caught with a DUI you go to jail for a year, and if you killed someone, you go to jail for life. Sound good? Because it's not manslaughter if you weren't forced to drink so much that you lost your ability to drive safely. That's a choice you make at the bar or at the party, or wherever.

I could live with that.

How many years for getting a BJ while driving? It might be worth it!

[leercguy]

But there are people that hurt others unknowningly after smoking weed. I think it should stay illegal, and it does hurt you if you smoke it, it damn sure doesn't help. Your reaction time is lessened on pot along with other things that will affect your ability to function normally

Spoken like a true "never tried it" type. There are people that don't use anything (even coffee) who unknowingly hurt others. Wake up and smell the bongwater.