200 Comparison

[RustyJake]

We had some pics up on the old site to show the width difference in the 200 tire to stock. So here's a start on that again.

[8Punisher8]

Hey Rusty, is that 200 on the stock rim or the vtx?

[choppermonkey]

I just put on my VTX 200 on my Spirit 750....When I put it all together, the rear brake did not work...I noticed that there was a washer on the rear brake linkage that had an arrow on it...Im guessing that I need to line the arrows up...right? What is the easiest way to do this...???? Any info would be appreciated.

[8Punisher8]

I just put on my VTX 200 on my Spirit 750....When I put it all together, the rear brake did not work...I noticed that there was a washer on the rear brake linkage that had an arrow on it...Im guessing that I need to line the arrows up...right? What is the easiest way to do this...???? Any info would be appreciated.
Was your rear brake locked up, or just wouldn't work? Sounds like you just might need to adjust the brake rod.

[RustyJake]

Hey Rusty, is that 200 on the stock rim or the vtx?
The 200 is mounted on an 18" x 5.5" rim from cruiseconcepts
Tire is a 200/50-18

[RustyJake]

I just put on my VTX 200 on my Spirit 750....When I put it all together, the rear brake did not work...I noticed that there was a washer on the rear brake linkage that had an arrow on it...Im guessing that I need to line the arrows up...right? What is the easiest way to do this...???? Any info would be appreciated.
If it's the arrow on the tab on the brake rod that you are trying to line up with the arrow on the drum......don't. That's a brake wear indicator. Jack your bike up and back off the tension on the brake till the tire spins freely.
If you've done that and it's still not turning, you will want to pull the wheel off again and make sure that everything is in place on the brakes. If you are using your old hub on a relace, you shouldn't have any issues with the brakes.

[choppermonkey]

When I put it all together, the rear brake does not engage...its not locked, it just keeps spinning.......when I use the brake pedal, the rod moves, but it seems like its not turning the brake spindle enough....have I missed something? I thought it was all pretty simple to reinstall...........

[RustyJake]

Did you reuse your original hub? If everything is the same, it should work. You are going to need to pull the back wheel off again and inspect the brake assembly to ensure it's moving correctly inside. When it was off, maybe it was dropped or hit somehow and something isn't sitting right.

[8Punisher8]

Did you try to adjust the brake rod?

[choppermonkey]

Thanks yall'!!!!!!!!....I adjusted the brake rod and tightened the slack nut...it works just fine now....thanks for the help.....I just love when a plan comes together...!.....anyway, Im working on getting some current pics.... :mfight:

[8Punisher8]

Glad ya got it working. Now where's the pics??

[mitchbelcourt]

We had some pics up on the old site to show the width difference in the 200 tire to stock. So here's a start on that again.

Hey Rusty!

What the total Conversion cost you and where did you get yours?

Thanks

[cowboy]

Ive been lookin into this mod for a while the best prices ive found are

RIM www.servicehonda.com (http://www.service) $97.50 + shipping

Tire http://www.sporttour.com/tires/metzeler-me880-marathon.htm
$164.90 shipped.

Tubes run $12-$25 depending on what you get.

Let me know if any one finds a better price.

[RustyJake]

Hey Rusty!

What the total Conversion cost you and where did you get yours?

Thanks
Going with a relace is definitely cheaper, that or a CBR rim. My rims were custom made for me (something I sketched and gave to them), but now they have them on their website as a style available....go figure.
Tires up here are a tad more then they are in the U.S. Mine being a 200/50-18" was on the high end of the scale. I think the total cost for front and back tires was about $380.00. but that was with a 25% discount. Obviously the dealer will flog you for whatever he can get, yeah I used a local Honda dealer here for my tires. We don't have a lot of options here as you probably noticed during your visit. Shipping from the US would have eaten up any savings on the tires.
If you are trying to save, go with a relace or CBR mod. With your abilities the CBR mod won't be a problem at all. The relace (or in my case the custom rims) are a direct bolt on. I altered my subframe so I'd have clearance. Most have eliminated it all together.
My rims came from customdreamcycles, but you are better off dealing direct with cruiseconcepts.biz where they are made if that's the route you choose. They will run you anywhere from $900 and up each. So you can see the savings going the other routes that cowboy has suggested.
I think Nav also did a relace recently, not sure what his total bill was........but add the exchange rate onto those figures and a landing factor for having items ship and you may find that buying local isn't that bad.

[T-Rob 666]

We had some pics up on the old site to show the width difference in the 200 tire to stock. So here's a start on that again.

And this is what the difference looks like when you take that same 200 Met on a VTX rim (right) and put that 200 Metz on a 6" rim (left). ;)

Tim

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/t-rob/My%20Bike/DSC01746-1.jpg">

[RustyJake]

Thanks T-Rob, those pics show a definite size difference in width. Excellent comparison!! Being identical tires on two different width rims, it sure shows that the width of the rim is a big factor in the overall look on the finished tire.

[T-Rob 666]

Thanks T-Rob, those pics show a definite size difference in width. Excellent comparison!! Being identical tires on two different width rims, it sure shows that the width of the rim is a big factor in the overall look on the finished tire.

Yeah, I thought ya'll would like that. His bike is turning out kickass. I'll probably be going to a wider rim next winter....we'll see.

T

[Brevelle750]

The 200 is mounted on an 18" x 5.5" rim from cruiseconcepts
Tire is a 200/50-18

RustyJake, my rough math calculations show that the 200/50/18 is just shy of 1 inch taller than stock. Have you noticed any driveability differences due to the change in ratio?

BTW, thanks for the pics of the tire comparisons. Really shows off the meat on those 200's.

[Brevelle750]

And this is what the difference looks like when you take that same 200 Met on a VTX rim (right) and put that 200 Metz on a 6" rim (left). ;) Tim

Tim,

Where did you get the 6" rim? Did you have to make any mods to the bike beyond those needed for the 5.5 rim and 200 tire?

Thanks!

[RustyJake]

RustyJake, my rough math calculations show that the 200/50/18 is just shy of 1 inch taller than stock. Have you noticed any driveability differences due to the change in ratio?

BTW, thanks for the pics of the tire comparisons. Really shows off the meat on those 200's.

RPM's are lower, it's like going down another tooth or so in sprocket size. I'm running a 39T sprocket and have noticed a drop in RPM's at highway speed after going with the 200. Laying the bike over into a corner and the width of the tire has a tendancy to want to stand the bike back up. Once you get used to it, it handles a lot smoother then the stock set up. The larger contact area on the tire seems to help with traction as well. I never had a problem with loosing traction on the stock tire, but cornering with the wider tire seems to be more stable.

[mikeyb414]

ok, so as i understand it in order for me to mod my bike with this 6" wheel and 200 tire requires no alterations or fabs to the factory rear end? will i be able to keep the shocks on there?

mikey

[RustyJake]

I've got a 5.5" rim with a 200 and it did require alteration of the subframe under the rear fender. Some have removed the subframe (if you don't carry passengers). As for your shocks, stock will work. I've got 11-1/2 progressives on the back (with 3/4" travel limiters) and don't have a problem bottoming out.

[katoom198]

I'm curious as to where you can get a 6" wide rim also.Also what mods do you actually have to do to your swingarm to make everything work?I would like to know if anyone knows where there are instructions on doing this mod anywhere on the net?

[phop5]

The 200 is mounted on an 18" x 5.5" rim from cruiseconcepts
Tire is a 200/50-18



Jake, did you have to modify the rear drum arm due to the 200?

[RustyJake]

If you are talking about the brake stay rod, no. Just used the rubber bushing and put it between the drum and the stay rod to space it out.

[phop5]

thanks man....helps alot!!!

[phop5]

I've got a 5.5" rim with a 200 and it did require alteration of the subframe under the rear fender. Some have removed the subframe (if you don't carry passengers). As for your shocks, stock will work. I've got 11-1/2 progressives on the back (with 3/4" travel limiters) and don't have a problem bottoming out.



if you don't mind me asking...what are travel limiters, and where can i get them?

[RustyJake]

They are for the progressive shocks. You can get them from phatperformanceparts.com or directly from the progressive shock page.
What it is, basically is two pieces of plastic that are 3/4" and they are put on the piston shaft of the shock to take up space to limit it's travel.

[phop5]

They are for the progressive shocks. You can get them from phatperformanceparts.com or directly from the progressive shock page.
What it is, basically is two pieces of plastic that are 3/4" and they are put on the piston shaft of the shock to take up space to limit it's travel.

thanks, i'll have to look for them!!

[phop5]

They are for the progressive shocks. You can get them from phatperformanceparts.com or directly from the progressive shock page.
What it is, basically is two pieces of plastic that are 3/4" and they are put on the piston shaft of the shock to take up space to limit it's travel.

have you had the limiters for awhile? they don't list them on either site.

[RustyJake]

They are still available, but for some reason never easy to find on their site. Here's a couple of pics of them. The top one is the instructions from the set I bought with the part number written on them, the other is from a webpage.
Just contact Matt at Phatperformance, or email progressive directly and they'll be able to help you. I got mine from Matt when I bought my shocks. They don't list them, but can get them.

[phop5]

thanks a bunch man!!! you are a big help.

[Metric Mania]

How does the 200 look on the stock rim? Are there any pictures of that around here any where? Thanks, God bless.
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[phop5]

How does the 200 look on the stock rim? Are there any pictures of that around here any where? Thanks, God bless.

i don't know ona stock rim, i have a 18". i hear alot of guys complaining that it look like a baloon, that's why they are going to the vtx rim.

[Metric Mania]

When I got my bike it was llready lowered. How can I tell if it has progressive shocks or if the stock shocks were cut? It looks to be about two inches lowered. But I dont have a stock SS750 to compre it to. Also will the 200 and vtx mod work well with lowered shocks or will i need to go with strutss. Two neck fusions, not sure I oculd take the struts. Thanks and God bless.
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[phop5]

When I got my bike it was llready lowered. How can I tell if it has progressive shocks or if the stock shocks were cut? It looks to be about two inches lowered. But I dont have a stock SS750 to compre it to. Also will the 200 and vtx mod work well with lowered shocks or will i need to go with strutss. Two neck fusions, not sure I oculd take the struts. Thanks and God bless.

usually the progressives will say as much (somewhere), both sets that i have do. alot of guys are running 200's with progressives, lowering kits and cut shocks. if you go to struts, i believe the lowest you can go without cutting the subframe is 9.5, others may chime in as i don't have a spirit, but from what i have read at TSW, seems to be so. TWO NECK FUSIONS!! i wouldn't suggest struts :)

[Metric Mania]

Thanks for the help bro. Yap two fusions and I've only been around 31 years. Broke my neck in 2001 racing ATV's. This last one was work related, thank God!
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[Metric Mania]

What is the part number for VTX rim at www.servicehonda.com. (http://www.servicehonda.com.) Trying to track down all the stuff for the vtx mod. And how much did it cost to have the stock hub spoked into the wheel? Thanks, God bless.
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[phop5]

What is the part number for VTX rim at www.servicehonda.com. (http://www.servicehonda.com./) Trying to track down all the stuff for the vtx mod. And how much did it cost to have the stock hub spoked into the wheel? Thanks, God bless.

i really can't help you on that one, as i don't have a vtx wheel. maybe some of the other guys will chime in.

[scott0120]

im really intrested in doing this and it may have been answered already but i didnt see if anyone said where you could pick up a 6 inch . and how big is the stock rim. i think i read myself into circles a bit :rolleyes5 . but im just intrested to hear some more about this subject and see maybe some pics of the different size rims maybe from the stock spirit rim compared to the vtx and a 5.5 or a 6 inch. if anyone has pics could you please post .

thanks again scott

[phop5]

im really intrested in doing this and it may have been answered already but i didnt see if anyone said where you could pick up a 6 inch . and how big is the stock rim. i think i read myself into circles a bit :rolleyes5 . but im just intrested to hear some more about this subject and see maybe some pics of the different size rims maybe from the stock spirit rim compared to the vtx and a 5.5 or a 6 inch. if anyone has pics could you please post .

thanks again scott

go back to the first post...Jake's pics show the 200 on a stock, and a 200 on a 5.5' rim.....Trob's pic shows a 200 on a VTX rim, and a 200 on a 6" rim....i'm thinking that the stock rim is like 3.5", can't remember.:thinking2

[EFTELAND]

i have seen two threads one with an 18 x 5.5" rim, 18 x 6" and 15 x 4.5" which one is the vtx set up. i'm new to this sight and love it. :happy: :wink_2:

[phop5]

i have seen two threads one with an 18 x 5.5" rim, 18 x 6" and 15 x 4.5" which one is the vtx set up. i'm new to this sight and love it. :happy: :wink_2:


i beleive it's the 15x 4.5.

[EFTELAND]

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET THE 15" x 6" ? WHERE I WORK I CAN'T FIND THAT SIZE. WE'VE BEEN A MOTORCYCLE DEALER FOR TEN YEARS AND WITH ALL MY BOOKS I STILL CAN'T FIND THAT SIZE

[super33]

Will the 200 fit on the stock rim? Metzeler has a Me880 200/70/15 I'd like to get.

[cowboy]

yep it will fit.I have one on mine.

[1dvs750]

I was thinking about just throwing the 200 on too......any probs with that 200 on the stock rim???

[barthel]

yeah i no fuck off noob, but ive bin looking at this site for a year just now registered havent got my pics in yet but all my mods are up and you all really helped with what ive done to my bike so far i thank you all for the good info. i would also like to no if there is any problems with the 200 on a stock rim or should i run a 180.

[cowboy]

No problems,Metz aproved this tire for the stock rim.If you lowered your bike it might rub but you can mod the subframe.Mine didnt rub with 9.5 struts.I push mine really hard in the corners and have never had a problem.

[1dvs750]

Yeah...I am running a set of torch's 9.25 inch struts and no subframe. Will have to wait on the VTX mod for a while, but I do want that 200 metz on there. Good to know man, thanks.

[barthel]

metz 200 on its way hopefully it fits and looks good if not then i got to get a vtx rim

[westmd21502]

where can ya get a 6'' rim for the size 200 tire......and then what bout the brake rod and chain guard and all that good stuff....the pics of the 6 and 4.5 does make adifference......fatter the better is what my ol lady says.......lol......this site is the shits im on every nite...seeing all the mods and all the answers to us noob guys ,some good ,some off the wall shit......but havent heard of anybody getting hurt yet.......thanks..so in short what mod is beter the vtx 4.5 or 6........

[barthel]

if you got the money go 6

[RustyJake]

I could have had my rim made 6", it's 5.5". I'd probably look at that if I was to do it over again.
As for clearance, I had to move the brake stay rod over a bit. Spaced it out, but it's fine. The chain cover is close and doesn't hit. You may have to bend it back slightly at the point it slides into at the front.

[westmd21502]

so i think the best is to get the vtx 4.5 rim and 200 metz tire and things will be cool.........thanks

[that guy]

can anyone please tell me what size spokes to use on th vtx rim with my hub? thanks

[Metric Mania]

You will use your original spokes. The rim is the same size as the stock. Only wider.
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[that guy]

thanks for the reply that is a18 /5.5 rim?

[sikustoms]

i need a stock rear tire for my girlfriends bike. cananyone help me? it has a 160/80-15 on it, I guess thats stock???? isn't it??? thanks

[olpanrider]

i need a stock rear tire for my girlfriends bike. cananyone help me? it has a 160/80-15 on it, I guess thats stock???? isn't it??? thanks

there's one in the for sale section at the bottom of the page:grin:

[Titanium2006]

What the largest tire I can stick on my stock rim without having problems, I have the billski taillight mod and will likely be lowering the bike slightly also. Help me out!!!

[RustyJake]

Metzler rates their 200 for the stock rim on a spirit now. As for the Billski with that, I'm not too sure, I think you can with struts, but what heights?? I don't know.

[yamahammer]

what is the part number for the VTX 6" rim everyone is talking about ?

[bigarmzz]

what is the part number for the VTX 6" rim everyone is talking about ?


lol
:freak:

oh geeze...its not a 6" rim...its 4.5":idea2:

[BadACE_750]

I am with some of the other noob's on this one, and i havent heard the answer yet.... some of you guys have mentioned the 6" wide rear rim... now, is this a 15 x 6 ? or a larger custom wheel? maybe an aftermarket rim that can be laced on to the stock hub? or the H-D setup that you run a disc brake with? can someone clear this up?

Stu

[Drepanon]

I want to see what the metzeler 200 looks like on our stock rim... can anyone post a pic?

[MISpiritRider]

Read the whole post, they already posted that pic! You just have to dig a bit, nobody wants to spoon feed you...

[miclash1]

Read the whole post, they already posted that pic! You just have to dig a bit, nobody wants to spoon feed you...


let him suckle on your teet MS c'mon you know you like it

[MISpiritRider]

There's a difference though, between the lot lizards who knock on your door, and the high class corner walkers, waiting for you to take them in to a nice cozy back seat...

Wait......

No, they both have pussies!!!!

Nevermind then...

[Titanium2006]

Yeah, I seen that pic at the beginning of this post but it doesnt say if its on the stock rim or the VTX rim. Im curious too, I couple guys I talked to said to stay away from the 200 if using the stock rim. Reason being was that with the narrower stock rim the 200 actually adds height to the wheel rather then width. With the narrower rim the tire actually balloons up instead of width...Advice aI was given was that a 180 on the stock rim actually appears to be wider than the 200 because of the reasons above...now if your on the VTX rim, different story...My two cents....

[RustyJake]

Here's a 200 on a stock rim. No picture comparison between it and a stock tire. http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/showpost.php?p=20614&postcount=46
You are correct about the width, the tire winds up being 'pulled' into the rim so it's not going to be as wide as it would on a wider rim. If you look through this thread you'll see a post by T-rob with a 200 on a VTX and one on a 6" wide rim so it'll give you the basic idea of how it loses some width with a narrower rim.
http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/showpost.php?p=7445&postcount=15

[JetDoctor]

I got the 200 metz on mine and wouldnt change it. My buddy put a 180 metz on his and for sure mine is wider and in my opinion looks way better. also I ride with shocks and a Billski and 1.5 lowering kit and have no issues 1 up.

[Drepanon]

Yeah, I seen that pic at the beginning of this post but it doesnt say if its on the stock rim or the VTX rim. Im curious too, I couple guys I talked to said to stay away from the 200 if using the stock rim. Reason being was that with the narrower stock rim the 200 actually adds height to the wheel rather then width. With the narrower rim the tire actually balloons up instead of width...Advice aI was given was that a 180 on the stock rim actually appears to be wider than the 200 because of the reasons above...now if your on the VTX rim, different story...My two cents....

This actually addresses my concerns... thanks for your two cents... Yeah the picture in the thread left me wondering... basically what you typed was what i was wondering about and hoping to be able to see in a photo.

I decided to first wear down the stock tread and then replace the Rim, Tire or both at that point. In the mean time i will work on other areas of my bike.

~Peace

[Titanium2006]

Jetdoctor, that looks good on the stock rim. Think I might eat my words and give it a chance afterall...once I burn up my stock tire a bit. How was the install on those trees? Those really make a nice look!

[JetDoctor]

Jetdoctor, that looks good on the stock rim. Think I might eat my words and give it a chance afterall...once I burn up my stock tire a bit. How was the install on those trees? Those really make a nice look!

Hey Man. Thanks. The trees were pretty easy to do, about 4 or 5 hrs and some beers. : ):thumbsup:

[rifleman223]

I am hoping to get this done this week. I am anxious to see how it looks.

[rifleman223]

I wish I would have seen the post about the 6" wheel. So, I ended up with the 5.5" wheel.

I think that the bike looks great at this point. I will drive the bike until I wear it out.

http://www.jchphotography.com/images/bike/shadow/Shadow_001.JPG

http://www.jchphotography.com/images/bike/shadow/Shadow_011.JPG




Has anyone done this in a 17" rim? Does Honda make one? If so, do you have a part number? I was looking at a lower profile possibly for the future.

[dirtwarrior]

The 200 has a very good look. I am definately going to consider this mod.

[Sparky]

Any mods have to be done to put a metz 200 on a 03 750 Spirit.

Sparky

[RustyJake]

Any mods have to be done to put a metz 200 on a 03 750 Spirit.

Sparky
Usually a bit of alteration to the subframe. You haven't mentioned if you are mounting on a stock rim, or are you looking to replace your rim with a wider one. Lots of variables. Post what you are doing and someone on here probably has already done it and can help.

[Sparky]

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I was hoping to put it on a stock rim.

[MISpiritRider]

Any mods have to be done to put a metz 200 on a 03 750 Spirit.

Sparky

I already dun told you once to fuck off but that wasn't good enough! FUCKOFFYOU4TIMEPOSTINDUMBFUCKWHOCANTDO
HISOWNRESEARCHWHENITSAHEAVYTOPICINTHEFI
RSTPLACEANDALLYOUHAVETODOISFUCKINLOOKJUS
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DFUCKINNOOBFUCK!

What I'm trying to say is all the information you have asked is already out there, has already been covered. That's why you have been given the search button function, USE IT!

[Sparky]

I already have the answers i need so thanks for your stupid fuckin reply anyway.

Sparky

[dirtwarrior]

Its something allnoobes get so dont get your panties in a wad

[Coastn1]

I just was wondering if there was a preference for the metz 200 tire or if there was something special about it that makes it fit 750ss better. I was looking at the Avon Venom 200/70-15. I kinda like the tread a little better. I noticed most of you guys however were using the Metz. Any help would be great. Thanks. Later

[JetDoctor]

I just was wondering if there was a preference for the metz 200 tire or if there was something special about it that makes it fit 750ss better. I was looking at the Avon Venom 200/70-15. I kinda like the tread a little better. I noticed most of you guys however were using the Metz. Any help would be great. Thanks. Later

Some guys run the Avon, and some run the Metz. I personally have the Metz 880/200 and I really like the look and the handling. The choice is yours.

[rifleman223]

I have the Metz and it handles flawlessly! Bottom line, its your choice.

[Titanium2006]

OK Boys, so my wife bought me the 200 Metz for my upcoming B-Day, how kick ass is that????

Now my prob is trying to find the VTX rim, Service Honda says discontinued, no luck on E-bay...any of you guys wanna sell me yours???? hahaha (didnt think so)....

So any buddy point me in a more updated direction to a rim???? Preferablly in Canada if ya now it, but if not, I gotta do what I gotta do, paying the duty stinks!!!

So, where can I find a good deal on the rim?

[quam]

try calling service honda direct. the site says discontinued, but i believe if you call em they'll send you one......at least that's what i've read on here.

[nomad]

Dude go here http://www.cycle-parts.com/
punch in 42701-MCV-A11
I am from Canada and this is where I got mine. No problem at all

[Tiger-Ray]

Hey...I am new to this site I have an 05 Honda Shadow Spirit. Gave it 2 seasons stock and now I am ready to take it apart and start making it my own. I have it taken apart for a paint job and want a tire shot like the one at the beginning of the post.

I read through the threads and know that I should use a 5.5 rim and a 200 tire but I did seem to get a consensus as to what else I need. Can I just get the rim/tube/ tire and slap the thing on there.

Is there a pic on the site showing a 200 on a stock rim?

Thanks, I look forward to the replies.

Ray

[Tiger-Ray]

The 200 is mounted on an 18" x 5.5" rim from cruiseconcepts
Tire is a 200/50-18


What modification do you have to have to put a new rim and tire of this size on a 2005 Spirit? Overall price and time?

[fegs]

well welcome nood. I've heard of peeps installing the 200 on the stock rim but not recommended. You should have a wider rim. Read on, you can buy the wheel and have it relaced to your hub. I did it that way and no issues at all (just a bit of grinding on the subframe)

[Tiger-Ray]

well welcome nood. I've heard of peeps installing the 200 on the stock rim but not recommended. You should have a wider rim. Read on, you can buy the wheel and have it relaced to your hub. I did it that way and no issues at all (just a bit of grinding on the subframe)

Thanks,

I think I have the parts I think I need here

http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20&page=19

Is this correct?

[quam]

the vtx rim is 4.5" in width.
if you want the 5.5" wide rim, you might as well go bigger dia too. if you stick w/ the same dia, you might get away w/ only paying a hondo more than the vtx mod. if you go bigger dia, you'll pay about double.

[Tiger-Ray]

the vtx rim is 4.5" in width.
if you want the 5.5" wide rim, you might as well go bigger dia too. if you stick w/ the same dia, you might get away w/ only paying a hondo more than the vtx mod. if you go bigger dia, you'll pay about double.

Is the extra inch worth it. Looks wise? Do you know of a pick with it on there. I asked this in the other thread too, but is there a link for the how to? I am not really sure what grinding legths and such I need for the subframe.

Ray

[Tiger-Ray]

I've got a 5.5" rim with a 200 and it did require alteration of the subframe under the rear fender. Some have removed the subframe (if you don't carry passengers). As for your shocks, stock will work. I've got 11-1/2 progressives on the back (with 3/4" travel limiters) and don't have a problem bottoming out.


I am looking into the VTX mod as well. Is there a honda part number for the 5.5 rim? Can you get travel limiters from a stealership? Do you have to have these if you do not lower it? What is your diameter for the 200?

[Paradox]

RustyJake I believe is running a custom 18 inch 5.5 wide rim.

[quam]

I am looking into the VTX mod as well. Is there a honda part number for the 5.5 rim? Can you get travel limiters from a stealership? Do you have to have these if you do not lower it? What is your diameter for the 200?

the 5.5" is NOT a honda part. you have to order it from an a-m wheel shop. ask rustyjake, or corpsegrinder, but most are getting theirs from buchanans (sp), i think.
you can't install travel limiters on the stock shocks w/o straightup one offing em. if you don't lower it you prob won't have any trouble w/ bottoming out. prob won't even have to grind anything. but it looks weird not lowered.
just read through the threads and use the search button man, ALL of this info is on the site, you gotta pay your dues and research this shit just like everyone else man.

[RustyJake]

My wheel is 5.5", almost wish I'd have gone 6". Mine are billet wheels so a little different then a relace. I don't think you'll find a factory honda part that will be that width. Buchanan's is a great place to start looking, seeing wheels are their specialty.
The travel limiters are made by progressive for their shocks. I can't see why they wouldn't work on a stock shock as long as the piston shaft is the same dimension as the progressive. It's just two pieces of uerethane that is put on the shock to stop it from compressing all the way, held together with a snap ring. You could probably fab one if you have an offroad shop around that supplies uerethane bushings for lifts. If I remember correctly, there's a thread on here about the travel limiters that shows what they look like.

[Spirit_C2]

back view

[Spirit_C2]

side view

[PSDAVIDSON]

back viewI dont now why but the stock looks just as big. it must be the closeness of the picture. wht do you think looking at it for real? does it seem alot bigger?

[Titanium2006]

the actual difference in width is very minimal. I posted a pic on here somewhere of a before/after with a measurement on both. The actual difference in width was about 3-4mm...that was with the VTX rim swap.....go 180 and stick with the stock rim...after all is said and done prob not worth it. added more height than anything

[Titanium2006]

I found the pic I posted...the small space between the tape and the end of the clamp shows the difference in width from the complete stock set up compared to the VTX rim swap + 200 metz

[bigarmzz]

stock rear tire v/s 200 metz on a 18x5.5 relaced to stock hub (many have seen posts like this before)

[Spirit_C2]

It actually looks alot wider not in the pics, taller yes, ordered the 180 but it went on backorder and couldnt afford to drive the truck and wait at 4.00 a gallon so went with the 200, made a big diff, like to see the 200 on the VTX in person cause if its like the stock wheel with a 200, pics dont do it justice

[Spirit_C2]

Ya in the pic the closer one looks the same, look at the width of the licence plate, the 200 is the same, the 160 is narrower

[scottbaer]

stock rear tire v/s 200 metz on a 18x5.5 relaced to stock hub (many have seen posts like this before)


If I read your post correctly did you relace a VTX 18" rim to the stock SS750 hub?

If so, what VTX part number did you use? and did you have to use longer spokes to bridge the VTX 18" new rim to the 15" stock hub?

[adkiller]

I want to replace the stock rear tire on my 03' Spirit with a fat rear tire. I can't find anyone around here to tell me how fat I can go without other modifications. Can anyone answer this?

[Beaker]

I want to replace the stock rear tire on my 03' Spirit with a fat rear tire. I can't find anyone around here to tell me how fat I can go without other modifications. Can anyone answer this?

Okay, I'll be nice (for a second); You can go up to a 180 on the stock rim. After that, you need a different rim. Lots of threads (use the search) on what rims or wheels you can use.

[Titanium2006]

I want to replace the stock rear tire on my 03' Spirit with a fat rear tire. I can't find anyone around here to tell me how fat I can go without other modifications. Can anyone answer this?

Holy Hell Noob,

Did you even try the SEARCH button. This has been discussed a million times in here.....:knife: :knife: :knife:

Try that search button Noob, it will reveal marvelous and wonderful things....

Until you get that, take your single post, how fat can I go?, noob arse and FUCK OFF NOOB !


Welcome to the nuthouse

[Titanium2006]

Okay, I'll be nice (for a second); You can go up to a 180 on the stock rim. After that, you need a different rim. Lots of threads (use the search) on what rims or wheels you can use.

Damn your quick Beak.....I seen that one and had to respond.....whats with the courtesy today...getting weak?

[adkiller]

Thanks guys yall are awesome! Yes I'm obviously new to this, but I love I love it and I love this site yall have. I'll go fuck myself now and do some searching, thanks again.

[Beaker]

Damn your quick Beak.....I seen that one and had to respond.....whats with the courtesy today...getting weak?

Ya. Time for my afternoon nap.

[Titanium2006]

Good boy Adkiller......speaking of which....if you could actually kill off some of the ads/spammers it would be much appreciated!

Enjoy !!!!!

[adkiller]

Noob here, at the risk of being slammed and told to fuck off, never mind I know that will happen, I now know I will go with a 180 but I am getting 0 help from my local bike shop on this, and I need to know if there is a specific 180 that people have used that worked and looked good.

[Beaker]

:glasses:
http://www.180.co.za/images/holding_bg_sm.gif

[chizuck]

fucking spammer ^^^^^^ please get rid of him he is in another thread called what the hell. If I am wrong I am sorry.

chuck

[adkiller]

wtf?

[Farther]

is a specific 180 that people have used that worked and looked good
Go to this site: http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/web/products/upgrade_options/default.page Download the catalog, print it out and study it. All (most?) of your questions will be answered.

[2pwrlftrs4u]

If I am wrong I am sorry.

chuck

even if not... fuck china :pissed:

[sk8er408]

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[chittle27]

stock rear tire v/s 200 metz on a 18x5.5 relaced to stock hub (many have seen posts like this before)

I was also wondering if this was some sort of stock wheel from another honda or did you have it custom made? (Talking about the 18x5.5 wheel obviously)

[Beaker]

18x5.5 relaced to stock hub

[chittle27]

18x5.5 relaced to stock hub

Again, is the 18x5.5 a custom made wheel or is it some sort of stock wheel from another Honda?

If it is custom, when you order something like that from Buchanan's do you just tell them its for a Honda Shadow 750 and they match the pattern or what?

[adkiller]

Should have had my relace job done today, instead of that I was informed last night at 7:00 that Buchanan's shorted me 12 spoke nipples...FUCK!! Now this'll push it back a few days.........FUCK!!!!

[chittle27]

Should have had my relace job done today, instead of that I was informed last night at 7:00 that Buchanan's shorted me 12 spoke nipples...FUCK!! Now this'll push it back a few days.........FUCK!!!!

What 180 tire did you end up going with and how much did it run ya? I desperately need a new rear tire and I don't think I can wait until I can afford to do this mod before getting one.....I'm basically running a slick on the rear. Oops :thumbsdow

[adkiller]

Here's the deal, yes, I recently bought a Bridgestone 180/70 rear tire. This tire probably has about 100 miles on it and then I found out about the 5.5/18 relace and it was all over. I couldn't live without it. I've got it all and like I said, by this weekend I should have been showing off my 200/50 Metz on my relaced 5.5/18 rim. But this has been delayed for a few days.

If you're interested in my almost new 180, let me know, I'd have to talk to a friend who already knows about it, if he doesn't want it and you do, we could work something out.

[chittle27]

Here's the deal, yes, I recently bought a Bridgestone 180/70 rear tire. This tire probably has about 100 miles on it and then I found out about the 5.5/18 relace and it was all over. I couldn't live without it. I've got it all and like I said, by this weekend I should have been showing off my 200/50 Metz on my relaced 5.5/18 rim. But this has been delayed for a few days.

If you're interested in my almost new 180, let me know, I'd have to talk to a friend who already knows about it, if he doesn't want it and you do, we could work something out.

Yes I am definitely interested. I was also wondering what the 5.5/18 from Buchanan's cost ya? Also, how do you order something like that...do you just specify the size you want and say it needs to fit a ss750 hub? Thanks.

[adkiller]

OK, chittle27, I went by the shop a few min. ago and picked up my 180 and stock rim. Let me check with this other dude and see if he wants if (last I heard he was thinking about going with some white walls instead). I'll get back to you about that.

The rim and spoke kit from Buchanan's was $735 (that included shipping). My 200 Metz was $209 (included shipping). A new tube was like $25. It's only going to cost me close to $50 to get the new rim relaced (this guy works for pretty cheap - Buchanans was going to charge $130 to relace). Anyway, it's going to run me a little over $1000 by the time it's done.

What you do is get online with buchanan's and do the order online. you can call them first and tell them what you are doing and they will sort of walk you through it on line, then they call you back when they are ready to confirm the order, they'll explain it. For instance you just tell them you have a 2003 Honda Shadow Spirit 750 and you want to go to a 5.5/18 wheel cause you are going to put a 200 on there. there are certain options such as polishing and stuff like that. If you are going to have them relace it, you have to send them your hub, unless you are also getting a new hub. Anyway, they're pretty easy to work with. I checked prices at HD wheels and they were a little more expensive.

I'll get back you about the 180 tire.

Later

[chittle27]

OK, chittle27, I went by the shop a few min. ago and picked up my 180 and stock rim. Let me check with this other dude and see if he wants if (last I heard he was thinking about going with some white walls instead). I'll get back to you about that.

The rim and spoke kit from Buchanan's was $735 (that included shipping). My 200 Metz was $209 (included shipping). A new tube was like $25. It's only going to cost me close to $50 to get the new rim relaced (this guy works for pretty cheap - Buchanans was going to charge $130 to relace). Anyway, it's going to run me a little over $1000 by the time it's done.

What you do is get online with buchanan's and do the order online. you can call them first and tell them what you are doing and they will sort of walk you through it on line, then they call you back when they are ready to confirm the order, they'll explain it. For instance you just tell them you have a 2003 Honda Shadow Spirit 750 and you want to go to a 5.5/18 wheel cause you are going to put a 200 on there. there are certain options such as polishing and stuff like that. If you are going to have them relace it, you have to send them your hub, unless you are also getting a new hub. Anyway, they're pretty easy to work with. I checked prices at HD wheels and they were a little more expensive.

I'll get back you about the 180 tire.

Later

Thanks for the great info and just let me know whenever you figure out about the tire :thumbsup:

[23rdave]

best mod I have done totally changed the look of the bike

[adkiller]

Thanks for the great info and just let me know whenever you figure out about the tire :thumbsup:


chittle27

did you check your private messages about the 180 tire?

[chittle27]

I just saw an avon roadrunner 230/60/15 on meancycles.com, I don't suppose this would fit on the vtx rim would it? Do you just contact avon and see what width of rim they approve putting it on?

[CipatTek]

Well as far as I know it goes 2 the last page uve viewed or something unless u press last page but maybe one of the other mods can help u a little bit more. Im not completely sure about this

[cnisingle]

WTF are you talking about NooB!

[2pwrlftrs4u]

Well as far as I know it goes 2 the last page uve viewed or something unless u press last page but maybe one of the other mods can help u a little bit more. Im not completely sure about this

crikey mate you sure explained that well... hope that bloke got to read your post. now go back to having tha buttsecks with kangaroos

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*crikey - An Australian exclamation of surprise or bewilderment. Interchangeable with words such as "Blimey" or "Struth".

[chittle27]

WTF are you talking about NooB!

Yeah, I was quite confused as well. :dizzy:

[shadrix]

Hey Rusty, is that 200 on the stock rim or the vtx?

can you please tell me what is VTX mode ?? and is that 200/70/15 will fit on the stock rim ???

[chizuck]

can you please tell me what is VTX mode ?? and is that 200/70/15 will fit on the stock rim ???Vtx is another bike by honda with a 15X4.5 rear rim in stead of our 15X3.5 rim. So it is wider and the 200 looks better on it. Yes 200/70/15 will fit on the stock rim but it looks ballooned. In my opinion the 170 looks better.

[05Shadow750]

lol, this thread is awesome. New to the site, first post. I see alot of the same questions asked through here, and i hope this won't be one of them. Gonna shoot for the VTX rim and the 200 Metz. My 05 Spirit is stock. What would stop me from direct bolt up? I would like to keep the passenger seat if possible. Planning on keeping stock ride height. Any swing arm mods? sub frame? linkage? Thanx all

[pyrplhaze]

should be a direct bolt on dude. not 10000% sure, but i'm 9999% sure...

[Doc_Shadow]

lol, this thread is awesome. New to the site, first post. I see alot of the same questions asked through here, and i hope this won't be one of them. Gonna shoot for the VTX rim and the 200 Metz. My 05 Spirit is stock. What would stop me from direct bolt up? I would like to keep the passenger seat if possible. Planning on keeping stock ride height. Any swing arm mods? sub frame? linkage? Thanx all

I know this thread is old, but... if you run the stock ride hieght the only mod should be the chainguard. A couple washers to space it out and your good. If you have your bike lowered like mine, 9.5 hardtail, thats a different story. I spent many hours fabbing and modding that subframe but its well worth it!!!

[2003 Red spirit 750]

Had the same questions before I did the VTX Mod on my bike. After doing the mod and not making any changes to the suspension everything was fine. You can change the rim to the 4.5 1800 VTX and the only tire to my knowledge that will work is the 200/70/15. For the money I suggest going with 4.5 rim if your going to do this mod. No rubbing anywhere, as the post above states you will need a couple of washers on the chain guard, swingarm has plenty of room, no problem with suspension travel of the rear shocks if you preload them to the max based on rider/passenger weight. Your stock shocks should be adjustable. I weigh 200 lbs., have the bilski taillight, there are no problems. Your problems begin when you start to lower the bike. The 200 is bout 2" taller than the 160 stock tire. I would guess after making the switch there was still about 2.5-3" clearence between my tire and the biliski tailight. Should you decide to go the lower route I suggest you visit the "Lowering your bike" discussion I have pictures there, so do others, that will help you see what issues you can run into when you start trying to maximize the look of that 200 rear tire. The 200 makes a big difference, I'm glad I did it, changes the look of the rear end. A little fatter and wider, lowering makes it look even wider. Most guys after doing this mod can't help going lower as funds are avaliable. If you go lower you have to decide how low you want to go. I only regret I didn't have the money to go the 250 route. That mod is major $$$. You can do this mod for a few hundred bucks and be happy with the results, you would be happy with the results of the 250 mod but your bank account would be a few thousand less! If you'll use the search button you can find just about anything here. Here's a picture of my bike after I did the mod. Hope this helps!
:happy:

[2003 Red spirit 750]

Here's a little more recent picture with solid struts on. They are 11 1/4" lowering the bike the same as using the 1.5 lowering kit. Still using the cateye & plate. This method is about as low as you can go without hacking the sub-frame to get lower on the 200. Places the sub-frame about 3/8" away from the rear tire. I've also researched the Progressive shock route and concluded it would require a stiff spring rate depending on the rider and passenger weight to keep the sub-frame off the tire. As an example I would go around 200 lbs. , the wife at 125 lbs. = 325 lbs. So I would look for a Heavy Duty (HD) (not Harley Davidson fool)lol, shock with a spring rate for a 200 lb. rider and part time passenger. Say a shock with a 270/315 rate or 300/350 rate. As an example maybe a 412-4230C Progressive shock or whatever model you prefer. Also you can get these in different heights 12,11.5,11,10 etc. Remember it takes the full weight in down-force to compress the shock 1". Thus 300 lbs. = 1" 600 lbs. = 2" in down-force for the shock to travel. Now don't kid yourself this is going to be a really stiff shock possibly the ride won't be much different than a solid strut. I'll let you know if I decide to buy the shocks.LOL The difference is there will be a some travel with a shock vs the all out no give ridged strut. Opinions may differ here but you get the general idea, do your own homework. Man this makes me tired. :laugh4: For information on Progressive shocks go to http://www.progressivesuspension.com/pdfs/7100-105.pdf
Several places online to order but here's one with reasonable prices with a large selection: http://www.onestopmoto.com/pindex.asp?Page=62
Most shocks have a 5/8" mounting hole and are generally 2 3/4" dia. at the widest point, keep this in mind when ordering shocks. Also remember most places will steer you to a "standard fitment shock" for your model bike. That's not what you want. You have a custom bike and need a custon HD shock, remember that. Now I'm exhausted!:rolleyes3

[flyin freddie]

HEY EVERY ONE I USED THE SEARCH BUTTON ....FUCKIN NOOBS..... ROFLMAO
READ ALL THE WAY THREW , VERY INTERESTING READ .
LOTS OF INFO. AND HAVE NO QUESTIONS I TOOK NOTES HA HA THANK YOU :jamming:

[flyin freddie]

KOOL ONLY 4 TO GO, THANKS ITS AMAZING WHAT YOU CAN FIND WITH THE SEARCH BUTTON BIG RED LETTERS AT TOP OF THE PAGE (SEARCH) AMD US NOOBS WOULD STILL FUCK UP..! LAZY NO RESEARCH NOOB TARD THATS ME :laugh4:

[flyin freddie]

I NEED A STOCK 5.5/15 HONDA VTX RIM SO I CAN RELACE MY VT 750 HUB INTO IT. WITH MY STOCK SPOKES AND A 200/50 X 15 METZ. TIRE AND I WILL BE ABLE TO RUN MY STOCK SHOCKS IF I DONT OVER LOAD THEM WITH MY FAT ASS .
IT WILL LOOK KILLER DUDE
:jamming:

[rocket2011]

Interesting addition to the VTX rim thread...would be nice to check the mod in person. Seems there are some that feel there is little physical gain. Other than an rpm reduction. I've already installed a 38T sprocket so I'll be content to take the wait and see approach. Gonna call and make sure the rim is in stock though. Thanks to all the determining info about the added cost of the HD and other aftermarket wheel conversions. Too rich for my blood! Plus I like the classic spoke look. To me its worth the effort cleaning. And I commute 80 miles round trip to work and back.

[JayT]

Interesting addition to the VTX rim thread...would be nice to check the mod in person. Seems there are some that feel there is little physical gain. Other than an rpm reduction. I've already installed a 38T sprocket so I'll be content to take the wait and see approach. Gonna call and make sure the rim is in stock though. Thanks to all the determining info about the added cost of the HD and other aftermarket wheel conversions. Too rich for my blood! Plus I like the classic spoke look. To me its worth the effort cleaning. And I commute 80 miles round trip to work and back.

Hey Rocketnoob, Fuck off & welcome!
Use the intro thread. Oh, nice signature, thats funny shit!

[Doc_Shadow]

Added cost for the HD wheel but sooo worth it!!! Losing that ugly drum brake really makes a big difference.