Holesaw Mod

[AirportFF]

Trying to rebuild the most common stuff

http://www.shadowriders.net/holesaw/ (http://www.shadowriders.net/holesaw/)


Easy and CHEAP!!!!

[Menace]

Trying to rebuild the most common stuff

http://www.geocities.com/vtwinshadow/exhaust.html


Easy and CHEAP!!!!
Good idea. Also, there is info here: http://www.shadowriders.net/holesaw/ (http://www.shadowriders.net/holesaw.html)

[T_Sebastian]

just in support,...
this is the greatest of mods if you are low on cash.
I spent a twenty dollar bill to buy a holesaw, and had to seriously think about whether or not to change the pipes afterwards..........
Of course I am going to, the modding wont hold itself back, but definately a badass mod.

[Shadow]

To anyone who has done this...
Does the sound end up being a beefy rumble, or a loud popping sound.
I would LOVE to get a deeper sound but not so much louder. Would this be a full pipe change rather than a mod?

[SmokeShowin]

May be a stupid question, but here goes. Are those the baffles that you cut out?

[shadowrider516]

May be a stupid question, but here goes. Are those the baffles that you cut out?

No, the baffles are further into the pipe, almost next to the bend coming out of the engine. What you are cutting out is the resonators. The baffles get the emissions and sound level down under EPA standards. The resonators just make the exhaust even more quiet. :builder: I talked to my local dealer about this and he told me that 1) It will void your warranty, so don't do until your warranty expires AND 2) Your bike will still pass inspection since the baffles are still in. (This is for TX, so I'm not sure about your state.)

[SmokeShowin]

Thanks dude.

[UncleFestes]

Very good Pics and instructions...BUT, I went ahead and cut all the guts out..Then drove a 1 7/8 pipe all the way in tight in the taper. Now I had Straights..screwed a screw in the bottom to hold the pipes no rattle or looseness. If you use 2" pipe you can buy baffles for about $40 that will sound just like the aftermarket pipe they were for.. I bent to quarter size flaps down at the Crossover and the Power increased with the sould down a little loved the racking of the straights but it is not as annoying to others now..very managable on the cruising Not too loud at all. Here is pics of the mod...with no instructions and a Jack Mod.. Click Here (http://imageevent.com/ralphdb/motorcycles)

[Galager]

By far, hands down, the best mod I did. Well the forwards were good to, but this one was the cheapest and put the biggest smile on my face. I was really worried it would be too loud, and at first I thought it was. But it isn't and I wish I hadn't waited.

[AirportFF]

I haven't done it yet. Been waiting to get all the stuff back from the painter so I can hear a before and after.

[herozup]

If you want to take it the next step....

Take a pointy piece of rebar or something similar and a smal sledge and punch holes in the baffles. I think it made the sound a lot deeper.

Be careful not to pound to far forward or you will poke right out the front of your pipes.

[crackher]

Trying to rebuild the most common stuff

http://www.geocities.com/vtwinshadow/exhaust.html


Easy and CHEAP!!!!


Great posts as usual, but I have a '04 Aero that has a sort of 2 into 1 pipe. Are there any mods providing the same benefits as these here?

[AirportFF]

I'm sure someone will pop in here and answer it. If not try posting in the mods section in the AERO forum.
I'm not that familiar with it so I can't give you an answer. :rolleyes5

[SmokeShowin]

I had asked on the old forum if my bike would pass inspection after holesaw mod. Then I thought "Hey stupid, get the bike inspected THEN do the holesaw mod!"
I checked out www.cobrausa.com yesterday and after listening to their exhaust on the site, I WANT!!! http://scorpius.150m.com/master/smilie/speedy.gif

[cowboy]

Great posts as usual, but I have a '04 Aero that has a sort of 2 into 1 pipe. Are there any mods providing the same benefits as these here?
I think your pipe is the same pipe they used on the ACE.Check this site out http://www.sa750.com/

[DOUBLED'SSHADOW]

Hey guys i just had a question i have a 2005 honda shadow spirit 750 with about 50 miles on it can i do the holesaw mod now!!!!!! i really want my bike to sound louder....with out having to bust my wallet for some new pipes right now..... :help:

[Menace]

Hey guys i just had a question i have a 2005 honda shadow spirit 750 with about 50 miles on it can i do the holesaw mod now!!!!!! i really want my bike to sound louder....with out having to bust my wallet for some new pipes right now..... :help:

sure. It will not hurt anything, but it might make the dealer cry.

[SmokeShowin]

Hey guys i just had a question i have a 2005 honda shadow spirit 750 with about 50 miles on it can i do the holesaw mod now!!!!!! i really want my bike to sound louder....with out having to bust my wallet for some new pipes right now..... :help:

http://scorpius.150m.com/master/smilie/flamethrower.gifFUCK OFF NOOB!


Welcome to the forum! I don't have an answer for ya, but I can guarantee it won't take long for you to get one. Lots of info available here, Welcome again!

[M@Man]

sure. It will not hurt anything, but it might make the dealer cry.
Don't forget...it will void the warrantee. :assbeat:

M@

[Mr.Sinister]

Wait until the 600 mile break in would be my guess . It should only void the part of your warrenty that deals with your pipes .

[DOUBLED'SSHADOW]

Hey guys i was just up at my local motorcycle shop and i heard my same bike with some vance and hines big shots they sounded fricken awesome....i was just wondering which are better some cobras or some vance and hines....havent heard the cobras but i can get a pair of them for cheaper than the vance and hines just wanted some input...thanks for your time DANA

[M@Man]

Now I haven't heard the Vance & Hines, but I have heard Cobra's, with and without baffles, on a Spirit 750 and they sound awsome either way.

M@

[SmokeShowin]

Started the mod. Only have a 3/8" drill though. Had to give the drill a rest. Kept overheating. http://scorpius.150m.com/master/smilie/11doh.gif
Will keep you informed! Maybe I should have a drink before I continue!

[AirportFF]

Lisa told us you had underpowered equipment :wink_2:

[SmokeShowin]

Lisa told us you had underpowered equipment :wink_2:

She wishes she had the chance to find out! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hi Lisa! :grenade:

Gonna head outside and have another go at it. Any more problems we move on to small explosives! :sign you

[SmokeShowin]

:luxhello: :luxhello: :luxhello: Got the first one out!!! :luxhello: :luxhello: :luxhello: I like!!! :luxhello: :luxhello: :luxhello:

[SmokeShowin]

Finally got a chance to get this mod done. And I have two words for anyone considering it: DO IT!

I can't wait to get out and hear it on the road. Supposed to be nice Wednesday, unless Mother Nature wants to be a bitch again.

[M@Man]

Congrats!:luxhello: :luxhello:It only took you how many days? j/k
Listen to him folks, when it comes to this mod...DO IT!!
It's easy, and you'll love the results.

M@

[SmokeShowin]

Congrats!:luxhello: :luxhello:It only took you how many days? j/k
Listen to him folks, when it comes to this mod...DO IT!!
It's easy, and you'll love the results.

M@

Let's see, started Friday...
All together though, under an hour!

[DOUBLED'SSHADOW]

Hey Guys I Just Did The Mod Last Night....i Didnt End Up Waiting The 600 Miles Cause I Wanted My Bike To Be Louder Now With Out Breaking My Wallet.....but Let Me Tell I Fucking Burned Up My Drill......so After The Damn Thing Cooled Down I Got The Other One Out....i Started That Puppy Up And Wow.......it Sounds Awesome......... Doooooo Ittttt If Your Waiting......im Still Getting Some Vance And Hines In A Couple Weeks

[AZSS750]

Hey guys -

Talked to the dealer this weekend. The service manager claims this mod won't void the extended warrenty or service contract - gonna get that is writing before I do it.

They said I would have to rejet after this mod but I'm not believing them - thought I would ask the experts here. Will I have to rejet if I do the holesaw mod?

BoF

[M@Man]

Fuck Off Noob! Welcome to the board!

Now to answer your question, although I'm no expert...Yes you will need to re-jet.
That is unless you want blue pipes, cuz it's not dramatic but it will run lean.
Adjusting the idle screws do just that, adjust the mixture for idle, not running full bore down the highway. It's best to do things right, and re-jet.

Once again welcome to the board!


M@

[AZSS750]

[QUOTE=M@Man]Fuck Off Noob! Welcome to the board!

Oops - not really a noob. :crazy3:

Just haven't posted since the crash and move.

Thanks for the info.

BoF

[M@Man]

Well we all started out noobs, so in that case...WELCOME BACK!:wavey:
Keep postin, and re-jet.

M@

[AirportFF]

[QUOTE=M@Man]Fuck Off Noob! Welcome to the board!

Oops - not really a noob. :crazy3:

Just haven't posted since the crash and move.

Thanks for the info.

BoF




I remember you......we were talking about me wanting to move to Flaggstaff when I retire.

Anyhow, welcome back!

Now, from what I understand with the holesaw mod you do not have to rejet. You may have to richen the mixture a touch though. You would need to rejet if you modify the intake or replace the stock exhaust with an aftermarket one.

Read through this thread and check, I know that it's been covered in here somewhere.

[AZSS750]

[QUOTE=AZSS750]




I remember you......we were talking about me wanting to move to Flaggstaff when I retire.



Anyhow, welcome back!

Now, from what I understand with the holesaw mod you do not have to rejet. You may have to richen the mixture a touch though. You would need to rejet if you modify the intake or replace the stock exhaust with an aftermarket one.

Read through this thread and check, I know that it's been covered in here somewhere.

That's me - it's been hitting the 90s for the last few weeks. Had a huge bike run here is past weekend - weather was GREAT!

Re: aftermarket - Not for a while - want Cobras someday but need the cheap mods for now. The guys at the dealership were drooling over my Billski when I had it serviced. :jamming:

Didn't see anything about the jetting when I read through thread. Guess I'll just do it and have my bike guy check the mix at idle.

BoF

[HSGear]

The guy I bought my Sabre from did this mod. I promptly went and got a set of stock mufflers back on it. Sounds like shit, causes major performance deficits, makes the thing run lean as hell regardlesss of the mix screws - DO NOT FUCK UP YOUR EXHAUST - BUY REAL PIPES.

[AirportFF]

The guy I bought my Sabre from did this mod. I promptly went and got a set of stock mufflers back on it. Sounds like shit, causes major performance deficits, makes the thing run lean as hell regardlesss of the mix screws - DO NOT FUCK UP YOUR EXHAUST - BUY REAL PIPES.


That's odd. Your the first that I've heard say something negative about it. I just did Susan's a few days ago and I can tell that there is a (very) small gain. The throttle is a touch crisper.
If it was so bad I think we would have heard more negatives on it by now.

Or are you trying to score a sale :wink_2:

[Galager]

That's odd. Your the first that I've heard say something negative about it. I just did Susan's a few days ago and I can tell that there is a (very) small gain. The throttle is a touch crisper.
If it was so bad I think we would have heard more negatives on it by now.

Or are you trying to score a sale :wink_2:

I didn't have any issues at all. Same thing, better throttle response. You have to adjust those mixture screws. It has run like a champ ever since, for over a year and no problems at all. Best mod I did, well the forwards helped a lot, but this one put the biggest grin on my face.

[RustyJake]

Wouldn't the Sabre be a different beast (1100cc class) and may not be the same for modding the exhaust? As for running lean, I can't think that aftermarket pipes wouldn't be the same on that bike.
Just my past experience/opinion, the exhaust on the 1100 Honda's never seem to sound as good as the 750's do aftermarket or stock.

[SmokeShowin]

Can someone explain adjusting the mixture screws. New to this and don't want to screw it up. Thanks in advance.:happy:

[Ghost_Rider]

Can someone explain adjusting the mixture screws. New to this and don't want to screw it up. Thanks in advance.:happy:

Hey Smoke,

Check out these links, hope it helps.

http://www.sa750.com/mixscrews/mixscrews.htm

http://www.sa750.com/update.htm.

[SmokeShowin]

Hey Smoke,

Check out these links, hope it helps.

http://www.sa750.com/mixscrews/mixscrews.htm

http://www.sa750.com/update.htm.

Thanks Ghost. Appreciate the help.:cheers:
I'll give it a shot.
I used to tinker with my older cars. Don't do it on newer cars, and have never worked on a bike.

[blackhawk]

so the consensus is that no re-jetting is required with this mod?

[AirportFF]

Yes that is not only the concensus, but a fact. :happy:

[Wild Coyote]

I'm thinking about doing the hole saw mod, but am worried about the warranty, blueing of pipes, and needing to re-jet. Does this void the warranty? Is it worth screwing around with, or just wait until I have a few $$$$ for some pipes?

[Rheopipo]

We dont need no stinking warranty!!! Just kidding.. in some places it will void the warranty on the exhaust... in other the whole warranty will be lost...and in others they dont care, but take this in to consideration... when they sey that you have a period for warranty there is a mathematical formula that they got that says that it will be more thatn likely that you wont need the warranty on that period of time... you will need it just after it expires but if you take good care of your bike she will take good care of you, there is no blueing of pipes and no rejet needed...

[mgress40]

please tell me that this will work with the 2005 shadow spirit i hope so going to do it tomorrow please reply

[SmokeShowin]

please tell me that this will work with the 2005 shadow spirit i hope so going to do it tomorrow please reply

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb032.gif FUCK OFF NOOB!!!
Relax, that's the usual welcome.
Welcome to the nuthouse!:biggrinje

I believe it will work. I don't think the pipes are any different on an '05. Good luck!

[olpanrider]

go for it. just get a GOOD holesaw, use 1/2 inch drill and go slow. you'll like it. cheap mod..........Oh and welcome aboard.....

[logan176]

Okay, I've just read the whole thread and I'm definately interested in the holesaw mod. A bunch of you guys said that this mod sounds awesome and louder. How much louder? When I first bought my 02 Spirit 750 I had a set of Vance and Hines Straightshots on, but I have temporarily replaced them with the stock pipes because the V&H are just too loud for me. Is the holesaw mod a happy medium or almost as loud as the V&H?

[AirportFF]

I would say a little less than a happy medium. More toward the quieter side

Just do it, you won't be disappointed :happy:

[Hamboner]

Shak who posts here has the cobra pipes on his bike, and his are loud. Now as for my stock holesaw pipe mod, it is not quite as loud, but loud enough. You won't be dissapointed, trust me. And for the price it is the most bang for the buck mod out there.

[logan176]

No shit, you guys are right on! For me, this seems like a happy medium between stock pipes and my vance and hines straightshots (with baffles). I haven't taken it out yet, but it sounds nice and deep! Now if Honda would just make the pipes look a little nicer.

One thing...I noticed a bit of blackish grey smoke coming out of the pipes when I started her up! :shocked: It settled down a bit, but at park and reving I can still see some smoke. I read in an earlier post that the bike would run slightly lean after the mod. Does the smoke have to do with the mixure screw? If so, how much should I turn it and in which direction?

[Rheopipo]

On mine it did somked a little bit.. but I use a lot of oil when I did it.. it stopped after a few runs... no smoke now...but I think it would be ok to see a little puff if the bike has being sitting a few days...

[logan176]

On mine it did somked a little bit.. but I use a lot of oil when I did it.. it stopped after a few runs... no smoke now...but I think it would be ok to see a little puff if the bike has being sitting a few days...


I just got back from my first run with the hole saw mod. The sound absolutely rocks! When I got off the bike I reved it some more and I didn't see any smoke. Oh, when I saw the smoke the very first time it wasn't just a little smoke...it was enough to make me worry for a moment...but then it got better.I'll take another close look at it tomorrow when I first start it up.

LONG LIVE THE HOLE SAW MOD!

[maskedman72]

ah shit...just bought a used spirit 750 last monday and now i gotta do this mod.....

[logan176]

I may be crazy but an idea creaped into my head after doing the mod. Since my vance and hines pipes are too loud for me, they are going to be my experimental pipes!!! I wonder what would happen if I put the resonators from my stock pipes into the V&H straightshots? I doubt anyone has done this before but what are your guesses on what might happen?

[AirportFF]

what are your guesses on what might happen?


Hmmmmm...................... lemme think...........It'll sound like crap. :happy:

[T_Sebastian]

I may be crazy but an idea creaped into my head after doing the mod. Since my vance and hines pipes are too loud for me, they are going to be my experimental pipes!!! I wonder what would happen if I put the resonators from my stock pipes into the V&H straightshots? I doubt anyone has done this before but what are your guesses on what might happen?

why dont you just send them to me and Ill dispose of em properly.
(or if ya wanna sell em ???)

[maskedman72]

i just did the holesaw mod and it fuckin rocks!! i couldnt fit a 2 1/4 holesaw so i used a 2 inch and it worked like a charm. had an air drill and it took about 30 seconds to drill each resonator out.

that is the best 60 seconds i have ever spent working on anything.

now the bike has more rumble to its sound.

[logan176]

I noticed a bit of blackish grey smoke coming out of the pipes when I started her up! :shocked: It settled down a bit, but at park and reving I can still see some smoke. I read in an earlier post that the bike would run slightly lean after the mod.


I fired up the bike again yesterday after it sat for 10 days and I saw some nice smoke again...enough to make me a little nervous. I also noticed the smoke died down a bunch after I pushed the choke in. Does this mean the bike is running lean?

[mgress40]

i just did the hole saw mod is freakin great added more power and more sound love the low rumble is great plus add a k$n filter and wow is great 2 " hole saw is the way to go

[AirportFF]

I fired up the bike again yesterday after it sat for 10 days and I saw some nice smoke again...enough to make me a little nervous. I also noticed the smoke died down a bunch after I pushed the choke in. Does this mean the bike is running lean?

With the choke out anything runs leaner than if it were open. The choke restricts the amount of air allowed in the carb, not the fuel. What color is the smoke? The standard rule of thumb is: white: Water or antifreeze, black: too rich, blue: oil. If it's white it could also be condensation in the pipe boiling off as the engine warms up.

[maskedman72]

i just did the hole saw mod is freakin great added more power and more sound love the low rumble is great plus add a k$n filter and wow is great 2 " hole saw is the way to go




2 inch for shure,i could not get a 2 1/4 to work, dam this mod rules!

[logan176]

The standard rule of thumb is: white: Water or antifreeze, black: too rich, blue: oil. If it's white it could also be condensation in the pipe boiling off as the engine warms up.

The smoke is black.

[AirportFF]

The smoke is black.

Pull the plugs and take a look at them. See if they're fouled (black residue). A little black smoke while the choke is out is not a big issue. If it's blowing smoke like a Kenworth, then you have a problem.

Do me a favor.....start a thread in the Tech area on this. You'll get more folks checking that section out for stuff like this. This thread is pretty old and not many older members pop in here to check it out.

[logan176]

Do me a favor.....start a thread in the Tech area on this. You'll get more folks checking that section out for stuff like this. This thread is pretty old and not many older members pop in here to check it out.


Do you mean in the "How To" section? I went tooking and I didn't find a tech are on this web site.

[Blisster]

okay, so after I put my first 1000 miles on my '05, I broke down and did this mod. It sounds freakin' BADASS!
If you're considering doing this mod, but hedging because it seems hectic to be cutting into your brand new bike with a hole saw, JUST DO IT! you will NOT be dissapointed.

It was much easier than I expected too, the saw bound up once and tweaked my wrist, but other than that, piece of cake!

[taylspin]

just did it to my pipes. piece of cake with 1/2 or bigger drill. punched a couples holes in a couple baffle plates. sounds good, but will change pipes and jets when cash is available. not a bad mod for cheap.

[AirportFF]

Do you mean in the "How To" section? I went tooking and I didn't find a tech are on this web site.


Sorry, I meant the Bike discussion/shop talk section. More people will see it there.

[logan176]

Okay...will do

[logan176]

Hey guys,

I checked out a 750 in our garage and the guy put ACE pipes on the Spirit. I think it looks kinda cool so I'm thinking of ebaying a pair. Do any of you guys know someone who has done the holesaw to their ACE pipes? If so, how does the sound compare to the Spirit holesaw mod? I love my holesaw mod but the pipes aren't the prettiest things out there.

[SmokeShowin]

Hey guys,

I checked out a 750 in our garage and the guy put ACE pipes on the Spirit. I think it looks kinda cool so I'm thinking of ebaying a pair. Do any of you guys know someone who has done the holesaw to their ACE pipes? If so, how does the sound compare to the Spirit holesaw mod? I love my holesaw mod but the pipes aren't the prettiest things out there.

Who's bike was it?

[logan176]

Disturbed's 750...garage page 4 bike number 5. There's only one pic, but it doesn't look that bad.

Disturbed's 750 (http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/vbgarage.php?do=popup&image=http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/vbgarage.php?do=getimage&id=224)

[SmokeShowin]

Disturbed's 750...garage page 4 bike number 5. There's only one pic, but it doesn't look that bad.


That looks sweet!!!

[AaronG]

I did this lastnight and I can't get enough of it. What a great mod!!

[pegscraper]

I did this lastnight and I can't get enough of it. What a great mod!!

Welcome to the forum, Aaron. I mean Fuck off Noob! (Really, welcome!) That is a huge improvment over stock. Find a bike with Vance and Hines pipes and see what you think! Or burbs.

Pegs

[asp3132]

It took two holesaws but OMG!!!!!!!! The sound friggin amazing!!!! If you are thinking about doing this mod ....DON'T WAIT, GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO IT! I must have gotten a bad bit on the first try cause when I got the first pipe done there was only 5 teeth left on it. Got another and it cut right through it no problem. My bike is well past the break-in I bought it 4 months ago and I have 4,678 miles on already.

[BikerMike]

Can anyone provide a link please?

[asp3132]

Don't know if there are any quality sound bytes out there that do this mod justice. But let me tell you it sounds great. I was really worried about doing this to my bike cause I just got it 5 months ago and the guys I ride with are really quick to slam you for doing somthing that looks or sounds like shit. So yeah I was nervous to say the least. When it was all said and done I was being told that I suck because it sounded so good, And now one of my buds wants me to do his 05 SS750. So if this helps you in any way your welcome.

[ickmak]

Can anyone provide a link please?


Look on the first page, it tells you what to use and how to do it, plus its got pictures :happy:


Good Luck

[ames77us]

I have done the hole saw mod, and it rocks but I read that the baffles are up further in the exhaust? If I take those out will it make it louder and how do I take them out, I want my bike as loud as i can get it. Plus if I do take the baffles out will I have to re-adjust my carbs?

[AirportFF]

I have done the hole saw mod, and it rocks but I read that the baffles are up further in the exhaust? If I take those out will it make it louder and how do I take them out, I want my bike as loud as i can get it. Plus if I do take the baffles out will I have to re-adjust my carbs?

The answers you seek are in this thread.........

You will more than likely destroy your pipes trying to "remove" the baffles. You can punch through them. And you probably will have to adjust the mixture screws.

Read the thread.

[ames77us]

Kewl, I will give it a try one of these days when I get the time and someone with me with a little know-how. But I am happy with the holesaw mod I got one of my friends to do the same to his and he is glad he did!

[ames77us]

Very good Pics and instructions...BUT, I went ahead and cut all the guts out..Then drove a 1 7/8 pipe all the way in tight in the taper. Now I had Straights..screwed a screw in the bottom to hold the pipes no rattle or looseness. If you use 2" pipe you can buy baffles for about $40 that will sound just like the aftermarket pipe they were for.. I bent to quarter size flaps down at the Crossover and the Power increased with the sould down a little loved the racking of the straights but it is not as annoying to others now..very managable on the cruising Not too loud at all. Here is pics of the mod...with no instructions and a Jack Mod.. Click Here (http://imageevent.com/ralphdb/motorcycles)

I tried to get in and see those pics but they are no longer there, any chance you may re-post them?

[Rick S]

I would like to know if i cut the baffles out w/ a hole saw will i have to rejet my carb? And i would like to know what is the reason for drilling out the plug to adjust the pilot screw? Thanks

[ickmak]

NO! :thumbsup: don't know:grin: FUCK OFF & Welcome to Modders Anonymous & the First step is admitting you have a problem. Hi my name is Ickmak and I have a problem:laugh4:

[navillustoo]

Rick S,
You normally don't HAVE to rejet with the hole-saw mod, but it is a good idea. A totally stock bike can benefit from a rejet, but obviously that's not necessary either. The needles that come in the kit allow for more low-end and mid-range power than the stock needles.
Drilling out the plug to adjust your idle mixture screws is necessary to richen up the idle mixture. You need to do this when the engine "pops" on deceleration. Another benefit of richening up your idle mixture is the engine will require less choking when cold starting and it will idle better all the time.

Brian

[SmokeShowin]

I would like to know if i cut the baffles out w/ a hole saw will i have to rejet my carb? And i would like to know what is the reason for drilling out the plug to adjust the pilot screw? Thanks

You're not cutting out the baffles. You're cutting out the resonators.

[AirportFF]

You're not cutting out the baffles. You're cutting out the resonators.


I'm glad you said it.........I think I said that about a dozen or so times in the various threads on this subject.:madani:


Hey New guy......read or SEARCH before asking. The answers are already here.:freak:

That being said. welcome to the site. Enjoy yourself.:grin:

[Shadowflame]

I finally did the holesaw mod yesterday to my '06. When I took out the resonators, I saw the baffles and other shit up in there, but cranked her up to see what she sounded like. I kinda got a sound like a glasspack muffler, and I immediately didn't like it, it was deep and high pitched all at the same time. But I looked inside, and took the hole saw to the two diffuser plates further inside, then took a 10 inch long 3/8 drill bit to the plate that is the last barrier way inside there. I drilled about 6 holes in a circular pattern as close as I could get them, and took a long screwdriver to the metal in between the holes I drilled and it cut out pretty easy, leaving me with a hole about 1" in diameter directly inline with the header pipe coming into the muffler. I started her up again, and this time-- HOLY SHIT-- way louder, but very deep, got rid of all the glasspack sound, and actually made me wonder if they are too loud...............NAH,, I AIN'T THAT OLD YET!!!!:jamming:

[nomad]

This is just awsome, The Holesaw mod makes the bike sound unfuckingholy. I cannot believe how much of a difference it makes. Now I will move on to learning about enrichening this mixture...

[spiritrider2006]

Ok this might be a stupid question but here it goes. What kind or brand of whole saw is best for this mod. I had one i found around the house it was a 2 1/8 fit perfect in the hole. It looked heavy duty and said bi-metal on the side of it. Well it didnt last more than 15 seconds till it was spitting teeth out. I thought what the hell......My luck....................someone please show me the light.........:knife:

[AirportFF]

Ok this might be a stupid question but here it goes. What kind or brand of whole saw is best for this mod. I had one i found around the house it was a 2 1/8 fit perfect in the hole. It looked heavy duty and said bi-metal on the side of it. Well it didnt last more than 15 seconds till it was spitting teeth out. I thought what the hell......My luck....................someone please show me the light.........:knife:

As with any hole saw, slower is better. Don't push on it too hard, let the saw do the work. And a little lubrication wouldn't hurt. A bi metal saw should work fine. Sounds like operator error to me.

[Big O]

Ya I baught a cheap one and it worked good. I even used my Dewalt cordless drill. And just like Airport said, go slow and the saw do the work.

[asp3132]

Airport and BigO are right, When I did mine I went and bought a brand new bit and got the drill going as fast as I could and pressed with all my might and the bit lasted about 2 min. and had 4 teeth left on it( I was wanting to hurry the job). Went and got another one and took it easy and used some WD40 as lube and it went through with no problem.

[spiritrider2006]

Well guys i went and bought me a new holesaw 2 1/8 and this time i took it easy and oiled it now and then . It cut right through this time with no problems. So as you can probally figure out i was excited to hear what i have done.......


Amazing sound !!!
I love it sounds good. Not to loud and not the weeny-hut sound from stock............Awesome mod and i have you guys to thank......

[BikerMike]

How about doing us guys who are still on the fence a favor and post an audio clip of what your bike sounds like now.

Thanks

[spiritrider2006]

I would do that if i knew how to !!!!!!:heh_heh:

[RAZOR]

HEY BIKER MIKE.

http://www.extremejokes.com/images/gesture.gif


WELCOME TO THE SITE ENJOY.

[Galager]

How about doing us guys who are still on the fence a favor and post an audio clip of what your bike sounds like now.

Thanks

I sat on the fence for awhile, don't make the mistake I did.

[shane1]

Any sound clips yet? I would love a little more rumble but I do not need a war with the neighbors.

shane

[Big O]

Try this: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=584051335&n=2&Mytoken=FCF7FD8D-DC38-8F26-2EF9B53838BDA5B638622308

[asp3132]

I hope this link works. This is my 05 SS750 after the mod.

http://www.easy-sharing.com/365493/05 750SS Sound.wav.html

[AirportFF]

Any sound clips yet? I would love a little more rumble but I do not need a war with the neighbors.

shane

Oh for Christ's sake just do it already.

It's not obnoxious, I don't particularly like loud bikes and I did it to Susan's and my bike is still quite a bit louder with a set of cobras.

[shane1]

Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

shane

[BikerMike]

Asp3132, Thanks so much for the audio clip. That is excatly what I needed to hear. I have to admit, that does sound pretty awsome compared to stock.

Question for all you though, any side effects? Any sputtering , popping on decel? Loss of power? Am I going to have to rejet? I did read one opinion over on the Delphi Spirit 750 forum saying his bike ran like shit after this mod.

Thanks to all.

[shane1]

I hope this link works. This is my 05 SS750 after the mod.

http://www.easy-sharing.com/365493/05 750SS Sound.wav.html

asp3132,

The link is not working for me and I would love to hear the clip. Could you please email it to me?

shane
ctsrj1@aol.com

[ickmak]

quit being a pussy and do it:grin3:

[zeroindigo]

I'm about to do this to my 600, anyone ever heard of someone doing it to their 600 before???

[asp3132]

Shane check your e-mail.:thumbsup:

[zeroindigo]

DONE!!! geeze, that audio clip doesnt do the 750 justice if my 600 sounds like this after that mod!

it creates a very deep sound, wow!

if anyone with a 600 does this it's a bit more involved as our pipes are closer together... and the hole saw should be 1 3/4"...

[jdphzc2004_4]

Tell me more .... I want to do my 600 bad!

[shane1]

I did it today and it sounds great!

shane

[zeroindigo]

right on, just got back from a ride, no problems, it pretty damn loud, good think I've been driving loud things all my life...

[logan176]

Being that there's like 3-4 different threads for the hole-saw it took me a few minutes to find the original. Anyway, I did the mod last summer and I too love the sound. Does anyone know of aftermarket straight pipes that have this same sound? I used to have V&H Straightshots but they were too loud for long trips?

[AirportFF]

Being that there's like 3-4 different threads for the hole-saw it took me a few minutes to find the original. Anyway, I did the mod last summer and I too love the sound. Does anyone know of aftermarket straight pipes that have this same sound? I used to have V&H Straightshots but they were too loud for long trips?

I made this one sticky again. I un-stickied it because people were starting too many other threads about the same subject. I figured what was the point on leaving this one.

But we'll try again.

[Dave16]

Will this mod work for a 2003 Sabre 1100? If yes, should anything be done differently? Or just drill that shit out and I'm good to go? Thanks.

[cnote]

I have na 06' ss750, are the pipes the same?

[Char]

I have na 06' ss750, are the pipes the same?

I did it on my 06 this weekend and it worked like a champ. It is a bit louder but not as loud as drag pipes. The sound is not as nice as I would like; it has more of a glasspack sound as opposed to a V-Twin rumble but it is certainly better than the stock sound.

[Gaylord]

I wanted some sound ,but not to much . I told boss at work we need a sound level meter for new machine monitor compliance . HA! HE bought it . First job .Take it home & try it out . Base line @ 2 ft. from stock 65+/- db , crack throttle 80 db .Then I drilled out 8-3/16 in. holes in both pipes @2 ft. 70-75 db ,rev 95-100db . Not bad . Take wife for ride in park . No noise comlpaint . Drill BIGGER 8-1/4in. now 75+/-db at idle 105-110db when reved up. Sounds alot better. Has a rumbel on down hill & backing off throttel .

[ickmak]

now take a piece of rebar and make a point. jam it the pipe and poke out the baffles, but don't go to far or your have a hole in you pipes:grin3:

[1DarkSpirit]

I did the "hole saw " mod to my 3 month old ss750 a few days ago... Kool! Rumbles nice at idle, loud and all that but the cops don't seem to mind, kind of a wierd sound cruising but I'm getting used to it. Used a 2 1/4" saw... 2 1/8" would have fit better... saved the baffels and I can tack them back in if needed. I need to drill out the plugs to the air/fuel screws and adjust them... to much lean popping at idle and on decell. Couldn't believe I cut up my NEW ride (only new transportation I've ever had) but am glad I did. Well... NOOB FUCKING OFF!!!

[dirtwarrior]

I did this and not a bad sound but kinda wheezy. It will do till next year when I do intake and exhaust pipes

[MISpiritRider]

I did the "hole saw " mod to my 3 month old ss750 a few days ago... Kool! Rumbles nice at idle, loud and all that but the cops don't seem to mind, kind of a wierd sound cruising but I'm getting used to it. Used a 2 1/4" saw... 2 1/8" would have fit better... saved the baffels and I can tack them back in if needed. I need to drill out the plugs to the air/fuel screws and adjust them... to much lean popping at idle and on decell. Couldn't believe I cut up my NEW ride (only new transportation I've ever had) but am glad I did. Well... NOOB FUCKING OFF!!!

When I bought my 06, I rode straight to work, then when I got home cut the resonators out that day! Then I got the mod bug, it didn't stay stock very long...

[Dbonezny]

Yeh...so I started this shyte yesterday and 24hrs later and 2 burnt out power drills....I still don't know how it sounds since the bike is torn apart.....

[MISpiritRider]

Yeh...so I started this shyte yesterday and 24hrs later and 2 burnt out power drills....I still don't know how it sounds since the bike is torn apart.....

what kind of drills? I had a brand new hole saw and a dewalt 19.2V drill, took about 5 minutes for the both of them....

[Dbonezny]

what kind of drills? I had a brand new hole saw and a dewalt 19.2V drill, took about 5 minutes for the both of them....

1 black n decker can't remember the volt
1 dewalt can' remember the volt.

The black n decker actually burnt up in my hand, the dewalt stop drilling forward and would only drill reverse.

Neighbor had a BnD so I said f it...and his worked.

[quam]

1 black n decker can't remember the volt
1 dewalt can' remember the volt.

The black n decker actually burnt up in my hand, the dewalt stop drilling forward and would only drill reverse.

Neighbor had a BnD so I said f it...and his worked.
dude, you gotta have a high volt drill for this type shit. corded not cordless if you can. just seems to give a little more juice.

[Dbonezny]

dude, you gotta have a high volt drill for this type shit. corded not cordless if you can. just seems to give a little more juice.

both drills were corded drills.....I dunno....my bike's pipes were on steroids...it even broke a few teef off the hole saw.

[dirtwarrior]

I did 3 bikes with my hole saw and its going strong.

[dirtwarrior]

both drills were corded drills.....I dunno....my bike's pipes were on steroids...it even broke a few teef off the hole saw.
Try not getting your hole saw at the dollar store.

[ames77us]

both drills were corded drills.....I dunno....my bike's pipes were on steroids...it even broke a few teef off the hole saw.

You should spend a few extra bucks on a good holesaw. Next you will need a half inch 18volt drill at least, plus you need to put some oil like 3 in 1 oil or any motor oil on the holesaw where the teeth are cutting into it, this will help it cut through the metal. When you are finished be sure to clean all the shavings out really well from inside the muffler.:thumbsup:

[sdp]

A good holesaw bit helps --- also, get some cutting oil (i'd imagine even wd40 would work if nothing else is on hand) and keep the blade lubed while cutting -- makes it much easier.

[mrgr8ness]

I am planning to do the mod hopefully this weekend. I bought a bit from Lowes, white one, don't remember the brand, but looks like a good one and was around $20 I think. I am a little unsure on adjusting the air/fuel mixture afterward, not real engine/carb knowledgeable, but I can follow direction very well. So I drill the plugs out and adjust the screws, one for each of the carbs. Which way do I turn them? I imagine you want to adjust them the same, 1/4 turn on one side=1/4 turn on the other? How do you know you are adjusted right, or is it trial and error, where you ride and decel? I have had the bike for a year and a half, and getting hungry to start some mods, preferably the cheap ones first. Thanks

[quam]

take sdp's advice and use some cutting oil as you cut the tips out.
as far as adjusting the pilot screws, start by turning them all the way in until they barely seat (don't over tighten) counting how many turns it takes to get there. the stock setting is like 2 1/2 or something, but the factory sends these bikes out w/o really checking sometimes.
after the holesaw mod start by turning the front screw out to about 3 turns and the rear screw out to about 3 1/4 turns. but the airbox back on and take her for a spin and do a hard decel from about 45 mph in 2nd gear. if no popping then take her back to the garage and pull your spark plugs. if they're not covered in black shit, then you're good.
if she pops on decel, you're lean, so turn the screws out a little each. if the plugs are black, you're rich, so turn the screws in a little each.

[Schiernbeck]

I'm doing the exhaust mod this weekend so I will let you know the details on how it went.

[Side_fxxx]

as a note for anyone with the new 750C2 the exhaust will use a 2" holesaw NOT the 2 1/4"

[CAMSHAFT]

Hey everyone,
Just thought I'd chime in on this subject. I did the hole saw mod to my 05 SS750 last week. Overall, it took about a half hour to gather the tools and cut out the resonators.
I notice no difference in performance while accelerating. It still is very responsive. Upon decelerating, it has noticeably more pops and gurgles, so I'll have to do some carb adjustments.
As far as the sound goes, it is slightly louder while idling, and much louder while accelerating, but still not as loud as most Harleys I've heard. The tone itself is of a bit higher pitch than stock, but I quickly got used to it, and the overall loudness makes it worth it. I get noticed much more by drivers, and by people on the street. Both of which are definite plus-es!
I didn't experience any of the blueing of pipes mentioned in some of the posts and the deceleration pops are not extreme enough to the point they indicate a "too lean" dangerous situation (in my opinion).
Hopefully this info will be of use to anyone looking to do this mod. Good Luck! :jamming:

[NAL]

i don't think you can get a lean mix from doing pipes, since the pipes don't have anything to do with mixing fuel, i've heard of them being to big could fuck with your power/ torque output, now if you change to a hi-flow filter/ intake then thats another story :dunno:

[quam]

yup you can certainly lean out the mix by relieving exhaust resistance. having faster flowing exhaust (less back pressure) allows the engine to breath more freely. this means that it's also gonna inhale more fully. so yes, adjusting your exhaust does affect the power/torque, but it also affects the fuel air mixture of the intake.

[NAL]

thats what i get for posting shit without thinking, post whoring is hard when you're tired, i guess i need to stay at the holiday inn more often, maybe it'll make smarter just like the people on tv :grin:

[formeising]

Just completed the mod and it sounds great! Make sure you get those mix screws adjusted because that thing will pop and crack like crazy until you do. Best option versus spending 425 dollars for new pipes

[michael_jnel]

Do you really need to remove the tank and seat to drill out the plugs and adjust the mix screwes?

[quam]

no.

[michael_jnel]

no.
Thanx Quam that is the answer I was wanting. It any harder with it on?

[chewychewytoo]

I have done this without removing the tank, its easier to do on the left side if you remove the carb/idle adjustment cover bracket otherwise the screw is a little harder to get to, but its competely doable without removing the tank on the Shadow Spirit 750

[formeising]

I absolutely did not remove the tank or seat. And it wasn't hard at all to get to the screws. I used an air drill and compressor which the drill was quite a bit skinnier than a normal drill. I have had a ton of positive comments about it and I have a friend that has an '05 and we are going to mod his also.

[quam]

all you gotta do to get to the pilot screws is take off the airbox for the right side and the carb cover for the left side.
it's easy man.

[michael_jnel]

Thanx guys! It is time to head to Lowes and open things up a little. I saw where someone removed the mufflers all together and put some chrome car tips on the head pipe. You think that adjusting the mix screwes will be enough to get it to run good?

[michael_jnel]

Did the mod this morning! WOW! Why did i wait? It took like 2 min (time well spent). I havn't adjusted the mix screwes yet. I has no popping or back fire. When i pulled the resinators out they had black soot on them like it was running rich already. should i check them anyway? What will a lean mixture hurt? Thanx

[quam]

well, the resonators should always have black shit on em. that doesn't necessarily mean she's running rich. BUT since she's not popping on hard decel, i would assume that she probably WAS rich before the holesaw.
either way, i would def check the spark plugs, and check the pilot screws. way i see it, why mod your bike if you're not gonna reap ALL the benefits!? should make her run good man....

[Gulf_Coast_Kid]

did this on my 2007 ssC2, made a world of difference. a little different on my model, I had to file away to small welds in the end of the pipes. if any other c2 owners want pics of the process let me know.

[mrgr8ness]

Finally did this yesterday, and it sounds great! I used an old 3/8 Craftsman corded drill, that has been beat to hell over the years. I bought a Lennox bit at Lowes and highly recomend it. Each pipe only took about 2 minutes. I still need to adjust the screws. Did the maiden voyage to work this morning and she was popping on decel. Should be able to fix it up tonight though

[kilbel]

I just purchased a 2001 Spirit 750. The hole saw mod was done by the previous owner. It sounds good but it seems to backfire a little every time I slow down and downshift, is this normal and is it ok for the bike. Im sorry it might be a stupid question but I just want to be sure that its normal.

[RAZOR]

I just purchased a 2001 Spirit 750. The hole saw mod was done by the previous owner. It sounds good but it seems to backfire a little every time I slow down and downshift, is this normal and is it ok for the bike. Im sorry it might be a stupid question but I just want to be sure that its normal.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE SURE-- USE THE FUCKIN SEARCH BUTTON
FUCKIN NOOB.... SEARCH POPPING ON DECEL PLENTY OF INFO
ON IT.

[chewychewytoo]

Yeah, you can use the search and find info on the fix, but I will give it to you got to the website here, http://www.geocities.com/vtwinshadow/exhaust.html
at the bottom of that link there is another link to this page, http://www.geocities.com/vtwinshadow/pilotscrew.html and you will see the info on how to drill out the plugs on the mix screws so you can adjust them to correct this. This link is in the very first posting of this thread, if you had bothered to look or search at all, you would have found it. Now, go fix this thing noob :)

[quam]

i mean, if he'd just read like every third or fourth page of THIS thread, he could've found his answer!

[kilbel]

Your right Razor if I would of just slowed down and took the time to search for the answear, I would of found it...Thanks.

Thanks Chewey for the links.

[ekozy1]

1. I have a 2004 VLX....can I do this mod to my bike?
2. Will I need to re-jet my carbs afterwards?
3. Why will my pipes shoot out black soot after the mod is done?
4. How loud will this make my pipes???

:lol:



5. HAHAHA JUST KIDDING! :laugh4:
All those damn questions are answered on EVERY stinkin page in this thread. I may be a noob to this site, but thank GOD I'm not a noob to forums in general.

I've got an '04 VLX that is my learner...learn to BUILD that is...bought it totaled and brought it back to new. Did the Hole Saw Mod. It's loud...and nice...but not loud enough for me. Is there anything I can do to the baffles to make it LOUDER? I crave noise....and am happy as hell that we have no noise ordinances around here. LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES....ok, maybe not since I was in an accident on a Spirit 3 years ago with drags....

[had]

new to the forum, great place. i cut the resonators out of my 07 dc today. sounds great, no power loss or excesive poping. i am going to adjust the mixture screws today also. thanks for all the info on this mod. next thing is the bilski.:thumbsup:

[had]

i adjusted the mixture screws runs great. feels like the bike has more power, probably just psychological. that link on geocities was great, but why do they say you have to remove your tank? it was easy to do, my left screw was only 1 1/2 out the right one was 2 1/4 out.

[Dreamcro]

This is a good mod, Twas easy. Good sound FOR NOW!:cool4:

[dirtwarrior]

This is a good mod, Twas easy. Good sound FOR NOW!:cool4:

NOCOMMENTNOOBEGODOOTHERNODSNOW

[BradM]

Anybody have an idea of the depth that the plugs should be drilled to before removal to access the mixture screws? Is there any room behind the plug that will forgive a bit that goes all the way through the plug?

Before you say "Look at the pics you fucking noob!"

Rest assured, I have viewed the pics, just would like a little clarification, and yes, I have read every post in this thread, no one addressed this particular question.

Thanks, I'll go fuck off now.

[BikerMike]

When you drill through the mixture screw cover, the metal is soft and easy to drill. The screw itself sits about 1/4 inch behind. Just don't push too hard, and you will drill through without damaging the screw.

[BradM]

Excellent. Thank you.

[jajara]

Is there anything I can do to the baffles to make it LOUDER?

take them out, they should sound loud with out baffles..

[northern01]

Ok so can I not cut out the baffles with the hole saw? If I use an extension on my drill? Wondering if anyone has done it this way?

[FEAROFRUNNER]

Ok so can I not cut out the baffles with the hole saw? If I use an extension on my drill? Wondering if anyone has done it this way?

If you have the spirit you shouldn't need to use an extension, the bottom pipe is kind hard to get at if you have a handle on the drill. I just held on and went slow with some oil and it came right out. I grabbed on to the baffle with some vice grips and wiggled and turned at the same time and it came out with a little effort. You can put em back in too if you don't like the sound or they're too loud.

[northern01]

If you have the spirit you shouldn't need to use an extension, the bottom pipe is kind hard to get at if you have a handle on the drill. I just held on and went slow with some oil and it came right out. I grabbed on to the baffle with some vice grips and wiggled and turned at the same time and it came out with a little effort. You can put em back in too if you don't like the sound or they're too loud.

Your referring to the resonators. I am referring to the baffles furthur up the pipe.

[jajara]

Your referring to the resonators. I am referring to the baffles furthur up the pipe.
it is weld all together.
it is one peace...

[northern01]

it is weld all together.
it is one peace...

So you saying it can or cannot be cut out?

[FEAROFRUNNER]

Your referring to the resonators. I am referring to the baffles furthur up the pipe.

Oh got ya, i've always called them baffels. Anyways, from what i've seen on here when guys go that far, they either smash through that honey comb/spark arrester or break the spot welds out holding it in place. Using the 2 1/8" hole saw to get back through there would be a pain cause there is a lip right after the "resonator" that you'd have to drill through to get to the spark arrester and baffels.

[jajara]

So you saying it can or cannot be cut out?

yes, cut it...

[northern01]

yes, cut it...

Ok so when I take out the baffles will I need to re-jet?

[jajara]

Ok so when I take out the baffles will I need to re-jet?
no, not really.you will get some poping, just when you done, put pair of screws at the end of the pipe, the screw will break a pop(simple)well i did not need it, i dont know about you preference...

[kenn1122]

Great mod! took less than an hour, allthough I did burn up my drill...well worth it, it sounds awsome! Had to drill out the fuel/air mix plugs to back them out to 3.25 turns to stop the back firing. Nice deep rumble with no back fire's!

[Crank-N-Jam]

Just did this mod this evening. Just for the heck of it, I took a before and after video clip to show the difference in sound. Made a hell of a difference! Check it out ...

Stock

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Hole Saw Mod

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These were taken with a digital camera, so not the best mic in the world. I also haven't touched the pilot screws yet.

Jason

[kilbel]

Hey thanks Crank I am glad somebody finally made a video that compared the two. I bought mine with the mod already done and really never heard the differance. Thanks well done.

[Crank-N-Jam]

Hey thanks Crank I am glad somebody finally made a video that compared the two. I bought mine with the mod already done and really never heard the differance. Thanks well done.

Glad to be of some help!

I've since drilled out the pilot screw plugs and adjusted the screws. I was getting some popping on deceleration, so I had to turn them out 3 full turns to get rid of it.

Today will be the first chance I have to get it out on the road for a more lengthy ride.

Jason

[craigv318]

Just did this mod this evening. Just for the heck of it, I took a before and after video clip to show the difference in sound. Made a hell of a difference! Check it out ...

Stock

Hole Saw Mod


These were taken with a digital camera, so not the best mic in the world. I also haven't touched the pilot screws yet.

Jason


Great work with the Mod.....
Good to hear the difference bewteen the standard and Mod exhaust..

[Crank-N-Jam]

Great work with the Mod.....
Good to hear the difference bewteen the standard and Mod exhaust..

Thanks!

I put a few miles on it yesterday and rode it to work this morning. It's loud! It's hard to describe the sound at higher RPM's though. Idle sounds freaking sweet, but it gets "poppy" (not poppy in the "I'm too lean" sense) at higher RPM's. I dunno, it's hard to describe. I'm not saying that it sounds bad, just different.

More saddle time will tell the whole story ...

Jason

[chewychewytoo]

Yeah, its a lot more sound for the price, but it's too tinny sounding, not deep enough for my taste, it held me over till I got the money for real pipes though. This mod is a good one for the money, but nothing beats the sound of a fatter exhaust, because the stock header pipes are so small, you will never get as deep a sound out of them than larger pipes no matter how you mod them in my opinion. So you can get more sound for less money, but if you have the money to get a full on after market exhaust, then go for that.

[baja_racer]

Well,
You can add me to the shadow riders that completed this mod. It's very easy to do. I will update with my opinion of sound quality and any "popping" sounds.

Stay tuned............

[baja_racer]

Runs great, sounds great...no popping once she warms up, but it popped when it was cold before I made any hole saw mods. It's too easy a job to not try it, sure is cheap effective mod until I get some VH pipes.


Don't wait...just do it!!!

[Threedays]

Shadows sound good! Stupid ass resonators.....

Easy and it went through fine....next in line? 200 wheel!

[LowNSlow]

Noob here.... I just did the hole saw mod and the pivot screw adjustments and she sounds good. It doesn't sound like an aftermarket pipe, but still pretty good. If you are thinking about it, it's easy and well worth the effort. I did the whole thing in about a half hour.

[Romparoo]

I just took the saw to the hole tonight! It sounds better, deeper and louder. I would rather have aftermarket, but for only $15.10 to purchase the hole saw and 5 minutes for the labor, it is a huge plus! I have no "popping" in the pipes and I did not adjust anything else.

I have the 07 C2 with the stock pipes, the pipes kinda bottle neck at the end. A 2"1/8" hole saw is too big! Use a 2" saw. PLUS, use a drill you don't mind throwing away afterwards. Mine smoked for more than 10 minutes after I finished using it! The mottor was still hot after an hour! It still works and turns, but not sure for how long...luckly it is a cheap, corded, 1 speed, drill, and it was a gift! Borrow your neighbors, pretend yours is lost :)

I called Honda to see if my 1 year warranty would be void if I did this mod...I was told NO. I then spoke with my service department at the dealership I purchased the bike from in March, they also said this mod would not void my warranty!

[tannman]

if you want a better sound and its free, cut the mufflers off and run stright pipes. I have and 08 c2 I did that and its loud as hell love them. I would not spend 250 dollars on a set of pipes after this mod.

[Romparoo]

Ya, I have seen your pics in your thread, looks great! When I get a little bit of extra free time I will start looking at doing that.

[Jon-m]

Hello all, first post here!

I am wondering if this mod also works with an 05 VLX 600? I'm pretty sure that a 2 1/8th inch hole saw wouldn't fit in the pipe of a 600 vlx

has anyone done this mod on a bike that size?

[Alumni]

This is a link to a picture of my pipe. Has the Hole Saw already been done?


http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=big&p=6684

[MrRngr94]

I don't have a 750, but from the pics I've seen it looks like it.

[Romparoo]

This is a link to a picture of my pipe. Has the Hole Saw already been done?


http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=big&p=6684



It doesn't look like it has been done. After you do it you should have an open exhaust (until about mid pipe).

[ShadowMonster]

This is a link to a picture of my pipe. Has the Hole Saw already been done?


http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=big&p=6684

Looks like it was cut with a torch, just not out clean to the edges unlike what a holesaw would have done but the baffles do look like they've been removed.

[bubbabiker]

It looks like they cut it out but used amuch smaller hole saw.

[willjr78]

Hey,
I'm thinking about doing this to my bike but I want to hear it first. I'm south of Houston. Are any of you that have done this in the area? I'd like to meet up with someone and see what it sounds like.
Let me know and thanks,
Will

[Beaker]

Hey,
I'm thinking about doing this to my bike but I want to hear it first. I'm south of Houston. Are any of you that have done this in the area? I'd like to meet up with someone and see what it sounds like.
Let me know and thanks,
Will

Use the search; there's links to lots of video/audio of it. Most are on Youtube as well. :bomb:

[willjr78]

Use the search; there's links to lots of video/audio of it. Most are on Youtube as well. :bomb:

yea i've seen all that. i want to hear something in real life though. it always sounds different in real life.

[Beaker]

yea i've seen all that. i want to hear something in real life though. it always sounds different in real life.

So? Turn up the volume! It's like, "use your LEFT hand, it'll feel like someone different." Fuckin' NOOB. Do you expect it to sound like an F14 through a Marshall stack in surround sound? Jeeeeezzz.....:freak:

[Alumni]

So? Turn up the volume! It's like, "use your LEFT hand, it'll feel like someone different." Fuckin' NOOB. Do you expect it to sound like an F14 through a Marshall stack in surround sound? Jeeeeezzz.....:freak:


hahahahahahaha :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

That's funny shit Beaker.

[willjr78]

So? Turn up the volume! It's like, "use your LEFT hand, it'll feel like someone different." Fuckin' NOOB. Do you expect it to sound like an F14 through a Marshall stack in surround sound? Jeeeeezzz.....:freak:

Huh, I thought it would take at least a couple of weeks to run into a belligerent asshole on here. Guess I severely underestimated the loneliness and ignorance of belligerent assholes.
Oh and by the way belligerent asshole, just because I just joined this forum doesn’t mean I have never been on a forum before. Nor does it mean that I’ve never used a computer before. I know how to do a search. I also know how microphones and speakers distort sound which is why I’m trying to find someone who has done the mod…and isn’t a belligerent asshole. That obviously isn’t you.
Since I’m sure however that you have nothing better to do, as I doubt someone like you has many if any friends, feel free to keep being a belligerent asshole. It’s all you really know after all and I wouldn’t want to take that away. :happy:

[Beaker]

Huh, I thought it would take at least a couple of weeks to run into a belligerent asshole on here. Guess I severely underestimated the loneliness and ignorance of belligerent assholes.
Oh and by the way belligerent asshole, just because I just joined this forum doesn’t mean I have never been on a forum before. Nor does it mean that I’ve never used a computer before. I know how to do a search. I also know how microphones and speakers distort sound which is why I’m trying to find someone who has done the mod…and isn’t a belligerent asshole. That obviously isn’t you.
Since I’m sure however that you have nothing better to do, as I doubt someone like you has many if any friends, feel free to keep being a belligerent asshole. It’s all you really know after
all and I wouldn’t want to take that away. :happy:

Well. From one belligerent asshole to another, FUCK OFF NOOB (if you took the time in all your-I've-been-on-forums-before-I-know-all-about-computers-belligerent-assholedness to read the rules, you'd know that Fuck off Noob is the traditional greeting here, along with a dash of "smart ass reply"). Put your lips together and blow with a slight sputter to similuate a V Twin, and that's how your mod will sound. You can make it louder or quieter depending how hard you blow (as you know everything else, I'm SURE you knew that..). Lighten up Noob and enjoy the ride!:laugh4:

[willjr78]

Well. From one belligerent asshole to another, FUCK OFF NOOB (if you took the time in all your-I've-been-on-forums-before-I-know-all-about-computers-belligerent-assholedness to read the rules, you'd know that Fuck off Noob is the traditional greeting here, along with a dash of "smart ass reply"). Put your lips together and blow with a slight sputter to similuate a V Twin, and that's how your mod will sound. You can make it louder or quieter depending how hard you blow (as you know everything else, I'm SURE you knew that..). Lighten up Noob and enjoy the ride!:laugh4:


i have seen the fuck off noob thing. the rest of it was kinda hard to tell though. pitfalls of the lack of information that body language and voice inflection can offer. i was being a bit of a smartass myself by the way. my bad i guess<O:p</O:p

[Beaker]

i have seen the fuck off noob thing. the rest of it was kinda hard to tell though. pitfalls of the lack of information that body language and voice inflection can offer. i was being a bit of a smartass myself by the way. my bad i guess<O:p</O:p

Hey Bro, no harm, no foul. Rock on!!:jamming: :jamming: :jamming:

[LowNSlow]

I took the hole saw mod one step further and used a piece of rebar to punch a hole in the outer portion of the baffle. It got rid of the "puff" sound and it's a bit louder. Sounds pretty good now. Not quite running straight pipes, but close. My neighbors hear me now when I start up, but it's not so loud they complain.

[willjr78]

Hey Bro, no harm, no foul. Rock on!!:jamming: :jamming: :jamming:


cool, i agree.

[willjr78]

I took the hole saw mod one step further and used a piece of rebar to punch a hole in the outer portion of the baffle. It got rid of the "puff" sound and it's a bit louder. Sounds pretty good now. Not quite running straight pipes, but close. My neighbors hear me now when I start up, but it's not so loud they complain.

That intrigued me too. I just hate doing all this shit to my bike, irreversible stuff like this, and end up not liking it. Then I have to ride a bike with a sound I don’t like or shell out the $$ for new pipes. And I’m not ready to spend that kind of money right now. I just bought the bike so $$ is short.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Guess I’m just too much of a pussy. (took care of that one for you Beaker lol!!!)

[Beaker]

That intrigued me too. I just hate doing all this shit to my bike, irreversible stuff like this, and end up not liking it. Then I have to ride a bike with a sound I don’t like or shell out the $$ for new pipes. And I’m not ready to spend that kind of money right now. I just bought the bike so $$ is short.ffice:office" /><O:p></O:p>
Guess I’m just too much of a pussy. (took care of that one for you Beaker lol!!!)

Hey! I wasn't gonna say that! I'm not ALWAYS a prick! If you're really not happy with the stock sound and want it louder, the holesaw is the cheapest and easiest way to go. If you cut them out nicely, you can always have them tacked back in. I rode mine stock for a year as I just couldn't decide whether or not I wanted it loud. I've ridden with guys that have super loud pipes and it can get old, fast! I love the guys that step off the bike and take their earplugs out. You wanna say, "Oh, so all that noise was for OUR benefit. Thanks." The holesaw will give it a nice rumble, but not too obnoxious. Check my gallery and have a look at my pipes. Cheap! $100 and I've got my stockers intact if I get tired of it. Lots of places sell those universal "mufflers" in all kinds of different shapes and lengths (I've seen pairs on egay for $40). There's a drilled plate in the end that gives a bit of backpressure and acts as a baffle. The sound is better than most HD's I've heard (IMO). Bolt 'em on, adjust your air screws a tad, and GO. Just another option...:beatnik2:

[willjr78]

Hey! I wasn't gonna say that! I'm not ALWAYS a prick! If you're really not happy with the stock sound and want it louder, the holesaw is the cheapest and easiest way to go. If you cut them out nicely, you can always have them tacked back in. I rode mine stock for a year as I just couldn't decide whether or not I wanted it loud. I've ridden with guys that have super loud pipes and it can get old, fast! I love the guys that step off the bike and take their earplugs out. You wanna say, "Oh, so all that noise was for OUR benefit. Thanks." The holesaw will give it a nice rumble, but not too obnoxious. Check my gallery and have a look at my pipes. Cheap! $100 and I've got my stockers intact if I get tired of it. Lots of places sell those universal "mufflers" in all kinds of different shapes and lengths (I've seen pairs on egay for $40). There's a drilled plate in the end that gives a bit of backpressure and acts as a baffle. The sound is better than most HD's I've heard (IMO). Bolt 'em on, adjust your air screws a tad, and GO. Just another option...:beatnik2:

Thx for the thoughts. I’m pretty new to this modification stuff so I’m trying to figure out what I like and what I don't. Unfortunately it's like most things, everybody has a different opinion. Some love the hole saw, some don't like it. My local Honda shop has some pretty negative opinions about it. I wonder if they are just hoping I buy pipes from then though. Some said bolt-ons and other options like that are fine. Some like quiet (at least I already know I don’t like quiet). I don't necessarily want to piss anyone off but I love the rumble a good set of pipes gives a bike. I like loud music too, what can I say.<O:p</O:p
This is why I was hoping to find someone around my area I could meet up with and have a listen. I’m having a hard time making my own mind up with all these different opinions floating around and I don't know if I will ever be able to do that unless I hear some different stuff for myself in person. Someday I’ll probably just say fuck it and do it consequences be dammed. But I figured I’d at least try to find someone first.<O:p</O:p
Anyway, I’ve typed too much<O:p</O:p
Thx again<O:p</O:p

[Beaker]

Your shop probably wants to sell you pipes. The cheapest ones at my stealership are $400! Search for the cheap pipes thread: chrome straight pipes from NAPA for about $24 each. Good luck Dude!

[Beaker]

Fuck off back to Russia you no-mind ex-KGB-turned-mafia-child-molesting waste of flesh!!!!

Fuckin' low life assholes tryin' to give our computers VD!!

[Alumni]

Fuck off back to Russia you no-mind ex-KGB-turned-mafia-child-molesting waste of flesh!!!!

Fuckin' low life assholes tryin' to give our computers VD!!

Come on Beaker...tell us what you really think of these POS Spammers.

:thumbsdow:thumbsdow

[willjr78]

Fuck off back to Russia you no-mind ex-KGB-turned-mafia-child-molesting waste of flesh!!!!

Fuckin' low life assholes tryin' to give our computers VD!!


couldn't have said it better myself beaker

[Beaker]

Thanks jack4500k. None of us realized how ugly those Ugg boots are. Now please, FUCK OFF AND DIE!!! Spamming piece of rotting shit!!!

You guys think this is bad? You should hear me when a wrench slips, in traffic, watching sports, muting my phone during a conference call... Oh, oh... I think I have an anger management problem.. Great! Fucking great! Just what I needed! Something else to fix! Motherf*&%ER!!!!!! Grrrrrr!!!!!!!

[willjr78]

Thanks jack4500k. None of us realized how ugly those Ugg boots are. Now please, FUCK OFF AND DIE!!! Spamming piece of rotting shit!!!

You guys think this is bad? You should hear me when a wrench slips, in traffic, watching sports, muting my phone during a conference call... Oh, oh... I think I have an anger management problem.. Great! Fucking great! Just what I needed! Something else to fix! Motherf*&%ER!!!!!! Grrrrrr!!!!!!!

Beaker, I'm beginning to wonder if that avatar isn't really a self portrait. It looks angry enough.

[shadowguy]

I have a 2006 shadow spirit 750. I know that im a noob so everyone can say it, but I have searched pretty hard on here and cannot find the answer. The thing that im unsure of is getting to the pilot screws. I have read a lot on here that you do not have to remove the fuel tank. When I removed the plastic cover on the left side, it didn't look like there would be a straight shot to the plug, with cables in the way. On the right side, I took out the two bolts that hold the air cleaner in, but it didnt look like I could just pull the air cleaner off without messing things up. I have the repair manual, but that isn't very helpful, so any advice that anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have the holesaw ready to go, but i want to make sure i can adjust the air mixture screws first.

[Beaker]

Shadowguy: On the left side, you have "almost" a straight shot to drill the plug if you go just under the bracket for the carb cover. You only have to drill about 1/8" into it, screw in a tiny self tapping screw, then with pliers, pull the plug out. If you don't wreck the plug, you can take the screw out and push it back in once you've made your adjustments. The right side is easier. Just loosen up the two bolts holding the air cleaner box and slide it out and down, pops right off and you'll see the plug you need to drill. When you put it back on, reverse but remember to tighten the clamp that holds it to the snorkle (kinda up under the tank a bit).

[Romparoo]

Good luck with that, too much trouble for me.

Luckily for me my bike didn't need any adjustments after I took out my baffels. If it did my mechanic said he would do it for about $10.

[pavement pirate]

$15 well spent

[Descending Spirit]

$15 well spent

Hellyeah Brother ,Welcome to the ride NOOBER:jamming:

[Bigdaddyof5]

Just got my first bike about three weeks ago 2006 Honda Shadow Spirit 750. Looking at doing the holesaw mod just not to sure if it will mess up my bike since Im new to all this. Any comments will help.

[pavement pirate]

your bike will be fine, do it!

[SdShadowRider]

Ok, so I'm a noobie, went out to my bike about 20 minutes ago to do the holesaw and just got done. I would like to thank you all for your inputs, I can tell those of you that are thinking of doing this mod "do it". The sound is way better than stock, much deeper rumble sound. I have a 06 Shadow Sprite and I will post back to report if I need to do anything with the carb adjustment soon. Thanks again ShadowRiders!!:jamming:

[Bigdaddyof5]

Just got done doing the hole saw mod sounds great. only question i have is would it hurt anything to use some of that grill high temp spray paint to cover the exposed metal in the tips

[SdShadowRider]

So after riding the bike the whole weekend, I have no problem with popping sound. One cheap way to MOD your bike.

[Romparoo]

Ya, I am pleased with the sound after I did the same last year. I have never had any problem with popping. Enjoy!

[cnisingle]

Well I took the dive yesterday after work and did this mod on my '07 SS VT750C2. Went to Lowes and bought one of these Lenox 2" bits, got home and knocked out the top pipe with a 14.4v cordless drill and some WD40. Yes a 14.4v drill will do the job if (like everyone else says) you let the bit do the work. Just set it on there and spin it, don't press and you're GTG. Didn't take long at all.
http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/082472/082472122312md.jpg
So I move to the bottom pipe and the 2" bit didn't fit. It was too big so I had to go back to Lowes to get the 1 7/8" bit. Fit like a glove and choped through it in no time. These bits were about $10 to $15 a piece and held up like champs! I mean the teeth looked the same when I was done as they did when I bought them (minus the paint).
Took her out for a spin and hoooooo momma!:jamming: She sounds more like a real bike now! Can't really hear any popping or backfiring on decel, and I did the 45mph in second gear let off. I have a K&N in it as well so I might just check the plugs to be on the safe side.
Thanks for the help guys! Next up is the Cobra Jet Kit!:grin:

[sk8er408]

To get a lil bit more out of the Hole Saw Mod i cut off the cross over and welded it shut. It wont make the sound any louder but sure did take the muffled sound out of it and makes the should better.... IMHO

[Bigdaddyof5]

done the hole saw mod a few weeks ago had some popping on decel done the 45 in 2nd and there was no popping. went ahead and adjusted to 3 1/4 turns and some times on decel I hear popping in the carbs. did I fuck something up?

[Monkeyboy39]

Ok so i just cut my pipes and freakin WOW its sounds amazing!:laugh4: it didnt cost me a thing i found a buddy with the hole saw and ten minutes time to cut out. thanks for the advice guys!

[Romparoo]

Ok so i just cut my pipes and freakin WOW its sounds amazing!:laugh4: it didnt cost me a thing i found a buddy with the hole saw and ten minutes time to cut out. thanks for the advice guys!

Ya, I felt the same way afterwards. Just wish I did it sooner!

[CheeseMan316]

I did not read through all 24 pages to see if this is something that is covered, but I'll say it anyway. (i did try searching). For those who are ABOUT to make this mod, the part that you will be pulling out is about 6" long. the gap between the first and second plates you will be drilling through is about 1/2 - 3/4". I know I didn't have a good gauge as to what I was going to be pulling out looked like and I thought that the inner part (that holds the baffles in place) became detached during removal. It took a little while for me to realize that it was part of the muffler assembly.

[BamaShadow]

I did this not long after I bought my bike. I love it. It will tide me over until I have the dough to buy the 3" Road Burners.

[kenjan450]

Did holesaw today and was very impressed with the new sound. Wish I had done this two years ago! Used a 2 1/4 holesaw. Thanks guys!

[Romparoo]

:jamming: :jamming: Did holesaw today and was very impressed with the new sound. Wish I had done this two years ago! Used a 2 1/4 holesaw. Thanks guys!
How many times have you rev'ed it since cutting those out!

[Denads18x]

Okay i did the mod and i was deff impressed, but when i ride with all my buddies an there harleys i cant even here myself. Two weeks later im back to wanting exhaust:/

Now today i went a little more in depth. I did nothing more than unbolt the back half of the exhaust off. I did no cutting just unbolting to straight pipes:)
NOW thats fucking loud! i know not everyone wants this , but i was sick of every harley drowning me out. I think i like it a lot, an you can always bolt it right back on if not.

[Beaker]

Okay i did the mod and i was deff impressed, but when i ride with all my buddies an there harleys i cant even here myself. Two weeks later im back to wanting exhaust:/

Now today i went a little more in depth. I did nothing more than unbolt the back half of the exhaust off. I did no cutting just unbolting to straight pipes:)
NOW thats fucking loud! i know not everyone wants this , but i was sick of every harley drowning me out. I think i like it a lot, an you can always bolt it right back on if not.

So, you're just running headpipes then?

[Denads18x]

So, you're just running headpipes then?

Exactly..

[dontbeadumass]

I did this mod and liked it for about a month. after that, purchased cobra slashdowns. no comparison--- go ahead and spend the $ if you have it . You want be looking at exhaust anymore!!

[inked82]

I have been trying to do this mod and the 2 1/4 seems to big my drill jumps all iver the place and I can't get it to cut at all please help.

[Romparoo]

I have been trying to do this mod and the 2 1/4 seems to big my drill jumps all iver the place and I can't get it to cut at all please help.
Do you have the C2? If so then you need a 2" saw, measure your pipes.

[inked82]

Yes I do have an 07 c2 I guess that would make since I wish I would of knew earlier now I have to wait another day. Hope I didn't mess anything up trying to use the bigger one. Thank you for the info.

[Romparoo]

Yes I do have an 07 c2 I guess that would make since I wish I would of knew earlier now I have to wait another day. Hope I didn't mess anything up trying to use the bigger one. Thank you for the info.

Ya, that is what I have, 07 750C2. You need the 2" hole saw. It will work just fine.

[cnisingle]

Yes I do have an 07 c2 I guess that would make since I wish I would of knew earlier now I have to wait another day. Hope I didn't mess anything up trying to use the bigger one. Thank you for the info.

Check out my post# 230 where I did mine. I have a C2 as well.

[inked82]

Just did the mod sounds bad ass and saved me a shit load od money to get some sound out of my bike. Love it and thanks for the help

[Romparoo]

Glad to hear it, I haven't heard of one person yet that hated the hole saw mod...such an easy way to get a better sound!

[shadow jim]

I did the hole saw and it sounds great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!