This Day In History June 28 2006

[Purpitrator]

1836

The fourth president of the United States (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108121.html), James Madison (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0831073.html), died at Montpelier (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/us/A0833878.html), his Virginia estate.
1894

Labor Day (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/labor2.html) became a federal holiday by an act of Congress.
1914

Archduke Francis Ferdinand (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0819443.html) of Austria-Hungary and his wife were assassinated, setting off World War I (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001284.html).
1919

The Treaty of Versailles (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0861782.html) was signed in France (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107517.html), ending World War I (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0852742.html).
1978

The Supreme Court ruled in Regents of the University of California v. Bakke (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0841421.html) that the use of quotas in affirmative action (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0802658.html) programs was not permissible.
1996

The Citadel (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0812313.html), the Military College of South Carolina, voted to admit women.
1997

Boxer Mike Tyson (http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0109710.html) bit Evander Holyfield's (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0824016.html) ear during their heavyweight title fight, earning a 16-month suspension.
2000

Elian Gonzalez (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0877232.html) was returned to his father in Cuba (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107443.html).
2001

Serbia (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108157.html) handed over Slobodan Milosevic (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0833245.html) over to the UN war crimes tribunal.
2004

In Iraq, (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107644.html) the United States transferred power back to the Iraqis two days earlier than planned.

[Its_on_ now]

The Treaty of Versailles (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0861782.html) was signed in France (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107517.html), ending World War I (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0852742.html).
1978


Are you sure this date is right?

[Purpitrator]

The Treaty of Versailles (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0861782.html) was signed in France (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107517.html), ending World War I (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0852742.html).
1978


Are you sure this date is right?No that is not right, it is the date above, not below

[Its_on_ now]

:dizzy: Doh!!! The colors made me go cross eyed...

[Free Spirit]

Damn... I'm glad I wasn't the only one who was confused.... I usually am!:crazy3:

[Mr.Sinister]

In Iraq, the United States transferred power back to the Iraqis two days earlier than planned. If we did that, then why do we still have troops over there getting killed?:thumbsdow I am no peacenic. The reality is the Iraqis are not in charge so long as we have guns pointed at them. If I pointed a gun at you and told you to vote in an election where I choose the canadates you would not feel free/powerfull. You cannot give freedom/power away. I must be taken. The Iraqis have not taken back their power. That date is false.

[Its_on_ now]

It should have read, "we transferred control of the government back to the Iraqis.." Even now, they do not have control. And since we do not know who the insurgents are, we are training them half the time too (read it in TIME)

[dk's87]

The Treaty of Versailles (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0861782.html) was signed in France (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107517.html), ending World War I (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0852742.html).
1978


Are you sure this date is right?

I'm with its on on this one. I wasn't real good in school but i do know in 1978 i was still there.:biker:

[pegscraper]

What we are hearing is going on in Iraq is all news bullshit! They are after a story and that's it. They pick the most interesting isolated things they can find that they think will sell papers and get you to watch their channel! Yes our boys are still being killed. Seems to me more people are killed in California and New York City in a day then over there. I'm not saying anyone should die, just saying people die every day. They are doing a job over there and doing a great job of it. Won't be easy to get out of there but from talking to a sarge that was back to see his mother before she died, don't believe what you read and see in the news.....

[Mr.Sinister]

It should have read, "we transferred control of the government back to the Iraqis.." Even now, they do not have control. And since we do not know who the insurgents are, we are training them half the time too (read it in TIME)"we transferred control of "A" government back to the Iraqis.." Not "THE".

[Mr.Sinister]

What we are hearing is going on in Iraq is all news bullshit! They are after a story and that's it. They pick the most interesting isolated things they can find that they think will sell papers and get you to watch their channel! Yes our boys are still being killed. Seems to me more people are killed in California and New York City in a day then over there. I'm not saying anyone should die, just saying people die every day. They are doing a job over there and doing a great job of it. Won't be easy to get out of there but from talking to a sarge that was back to see his mother before she died, don't believe what you read and see in the news.....
My point is that we have not given control "back". The only control in Iraq is at the end of a gun. I have many friends that have been sent over for a third tour. They have wifes and kids that they do not get to see. They risk death more than I do every day. I do not believe we can leave for at least another 10-15 years. Every American [ including babies born today ] Now owe $30,000 to pay for this war! How much of this country will the CHINESSE OWN when it is done? That is who we are borrowing the money from. What might they ask for instead of the billions they have loaned us? This war that is still going may bankrupt this country. There is no real control.

[airbrush addict]

[quote=pegscraper]What we are hearing is going on in Iraq is all news bullshit! They are after a story and that's it. They pick the most interesting isolated things they can find that they think will sell papers and get you to watch their channel! Yes our boys are still being killed. Seems to me more people are killed in California and New York City in a day then over there. I'm not saying anyone should die, just saying people die every day. They are doing a job over there and doing a great job of it.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[TinyUFB]

In Iraq, the United States transferred power back to the Iraqis two days earlier than planned. If we did that, then why do we still have troops over there getting killed?:thumbsdow I am no peacenic. The reality is the Iraqis are not in charge so long as we have guns pointed at them. If I pointed a gun at you and told you to vote in an election where I choose the canadates you would not feel free/powerfull. You cannot give freedom/power away. I must be taken. The Iraqis have not taken back their power. That date is false.

I disagree. First of all you have to understand the social status of Arabs. They hate, not dislike, but hate each other. Iraqi's look at Kuwati's as dirt, Kuwatis look at Qatar as dirt. Each group has a strong dislike for the other. That is why you read reports of Arabs bombing and killing Arabs. It is not Iraqi killing each other, it is Iranians, Jordanians, Syrians who cross the border and kill Iraqi people because in their minds they are dirt. I hear from many GI's in Iraq.

Workers who are not native of that country or tribe, most often are forced to wear a special color robe or garment. This distingquishes them as an outsider. While a native would receive wages of $xxx. The outsider, for doing the same job, will receive 1/4 that amount. This is true throuhout most arabic countries. But you never hear the press speak to that issue.

The people of Iraq - both Sunni and Shiite - respect and are thrilled the Americans are there to protect them. When they voted for a new government, many went to the polls in TEARS. Not TEARS of fright but TEARS of JOY. To assume they voted because we have guns pointed at them, simply tells me you believe whatever the press feeds you.

But take the time to write to our guys over there. They will respond with a totally different story. When on patrol, many Shiite and Sunni Clerics will invite them into their Masques and homes for something cool to drink and eat. That is a reality! The vast majority of Iraq is at peace with itself and lead normal lives.

Sure there are a small minority of Iraqis that will cause trouble, but no more than any other country has including the US. The press has an agenda - most of which is politically driven. The guys out there dont have this agenda, and are willing to tell the truth.

[Purpitrator]

Had I known this was going to turn into a political debate I would not have posted this thread. It was meant to be an interesting thread showing what has happened in history. GEESH!

[Purpitrator]

I'm with its on on this one. I wasn't real good in school but i do know in 1978 i was still there.:biker: IT"S NOT 1970 fucking EIGHT. Did you not read my post replying to him? It was the date above that little quote. NOT 1978.
1919

The Treaty of Versailles (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0861782.html) was signed in France (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107517.html), ending World War I (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0852742.html).
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW????????????

[TinyUFB]

Had I known this was going to turn into a political debate I would not have posted this thread. It was meant to be an interesting thread showing what has happened in history. GEESH!

Egad!

Have you never heard of a thread hijack Mr Kingofallhijackers ! :laugh4:




BTW it wasnt 1978. Where IS your chuahua!? :grin3:

[pegscraper]

WW1 did not end in 1978, Purp! It was 1919! Come on, pull your head out of your ass! And this is a political dedate. Quit hijacking the thread, Purp!

[jrod1970]

leave poor purp alone, he didnt know!:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!:freak:

[Mr.Sinister]

I disagree. First of all you have to understand the social status of Arabs. They hate, not dislike, but hate each other. Iraqi's look at Kuwati's as dirt, Kuwatis look at Qatar as dirt. Each group has a strong dislike for the other. That is why you read reports of Arabs bombing and killing Arabs. It is not Iraqi killing each other, it is Iranians, Jordanians, Syrians who cross the border and kill Iraqi people because in their minds they are dirt. I hear from many GI's in Iraq.

Workers who are not native of that country or tribe, most often are forced to wear a special color robe or garment. This distingquishes them as an outsider. While a native would receive wages of $xxx. The outsider, for doing the same job, will receive 1/4 that amount. This is true throuhout most arabic countries. But you never hear the press speak to that issue.

The people of Iraq - both Sunni and Shiite - respect and are thrilled the Americans are there to protect them. When they voted for a new government, many went to the polls in TEARS. Not TEARS of fright but TEARS of JOY. To assume they voted because we have guns pointed at them, simply tells me you believe whatever the press feeds you.

But take the time to write to our guys over there. They will respond with a totally different story. When on patrol, many Shiite and Sunni Clerics will invite them into their Masques and homes for something cool to drink and eat. That is a reality! The vast majority of Iraq is at peace with itself and lead normal lives.

Sure there are a small minority of Iraqis that will cause trouble, but no more than any other country has including the US. The press has an agenda - most of which is politically driven. The guys out there dont have this agenda, and are willing to tell the truth.
I do not believe every thing I see on the news. If Iraq is so at peace with it's self why are we there? They could close their own borders. Saddam did. I am not calling anyone stupid. I am saying that armed American GI'S are not abducted in California and NewYork then beheaded on camera. They do not walk past a Starbucks and have the whole place explode. It is not the same as here! They had 100% voter turn out for Saddam and he won with 99.9% of the votes every time. Why? People left the polls smiling and laughing then too. I think the Arab world if fucked up. Over half my family is in the military and many of my friends. I HAVE spoken with them about what it is like over there. You ASSUME that I am just fed the mainstream news. Because I do not hold your opinion. :rolleyes3 This is a long term military police action in a 1000 year old holy war. I do not believe that you can have a free election with armed soliders from another country patroling outside the voting booth.

[jrod1970]

I do not believe every thing I see on the news. If Iraq is so at peace with it's self why are we there? They could close their own borders. Saddam did. I am not calling anyone stupid. I am saying that armed American GI'S are not abducted in California and NewYork then beheaded on camera. They do not walk past a Starbucks and have the whole place explode. It is not the same as here! They had 100% voter turn out for Saddam and he won with 99.9% of the votes every time. Why? People left the polls smiling and laughing then too. I think the Arab world if fucked up. Over half my family is in the military and many of my friends. I HAVE spoken with them about what it is like over there. You ASSUME that I am just fed the mainstream news. Because I do not hold your opinion. :rolleyes3 This is a long term military police action in a 1000 year old holy war. I do not believe that you can have a free election with armed soliders from another country patroling outside the voting booth.

WORD!

[Free Spirit]

That entire region has been at war with itself and each other for housands of years. Mostly fueled by variations on a religious "theme". That being that each faction believes that some "god" or other "granted" them this or that piece of land.

They hate us because they view us as "infidels", "interlopers" in their land, their way of lfe, and their holy war. They do not believe as we do, and feel we are attempting to force them into our way of life, which to them is evil and an abomination.

While I applaud our brave men and women in uniform for doing their duty, I don't necessarily agree with our continued presence. They should be home! To think that we can change thousands of years of belief in 10, 15 or 50 years... is the height of conceit!

[jrod1970]

i respect your view, free spirit :thumbsup:

[jrod1970]

we should send this guy to the middle east!

http://smilies.vidahost.com/games/bof/bof2boss/deathevn.gif

[Wicked Wanda]

And, isn't there a passage of the Bible that states when there is peace in the Middle East that the end of the world is near.

They've been fighting this battle for a long time, I don't think they understand the concept of compromise nor do they want to...they seem to enjoy violence - not all of them but the ones in power seem to.

[TinyUFB]

I do not believe every thing I see on the news. If Iraq is so at peace with it's self why are we there? They could close their own borders. Saddam did. I am not calling anyone stupid. I am saying that armed American GI'S are not abducted in California and NewYork then beheaded on camera. They do not walk past a Starbucks and have the whole place explode. It is not the same as here! They had 100% voter turn out for Saddam and he won with 99.9% of the votes every time. Why? People left the polls smiling and laughing then too. I think the Arab world if fucked up. Over half my family is in the military and many of my friends. I HAVE spoken with them about what it is like over there. You ASSUME that I am just fed the mainstream news. Because I do not hold your opinion. :rolleyes3 This is a long term military police action in a 1000 year old holy war. I do not believe that you can have a free election with armed soliders from another country patroling outside the voting booth.

If you equate voting under Sadam's regime equivalent to voting with American and European presence, then you have been listening to the mainstream news too much. 98% of all the terrorist acitivites in Iraq is caused by Non-Iraqi. Most casualties are not American GI's but Iraqi Citizens. These outsiders are terrified that we might just succeed. Terrified enough that they have no qualms to kill fellow arabs - mothers, fathers and even children in hopes that they will be too afraid to venture forward.

And what is our reaction to this? Get the hell out! Let them kill each other off. They are arabs. You cant teach them nothing!

I am sorry, but the GI's I communicate with see a different Iraq, then your friends see. They see a potential hope in the Iraqi people, and they see people who have been subjected to years of tyranny. They see people who for once in their lifetime experience a sense of freedom and self worth.

But heck, they are arabs. They aint never gonna change so let them kill each other off. We are in the height of CONCIEPT to even think that they deserve something better.

And that 1000 year Holy War is a crock of BS. Yes, there are radical fringes that chant this mantra over the media time and time again. But the average citizen does not care about holy wars. They care about caring for their families and raising their children. Just like we do.

Now if this was Norway or Italy, it would be a totally different matter.

[TinyUFB]

That entire region has been at war with itself and each other for housands of years. Mostly fueled by variations on a religious "theme". That being that each faction believes that some "god" or other "granted" them this or that piece of land.

They hate us because they view us as "infidels", "interlopers" in their land, their way of lfe, and their holy war. They do not believe as we do, and feel we are attempting to force them into our way of life, which to them is evil and an abomination.

While I applaud our brave men and women in uniform for doing their duty, I don't necessarily agree with our continued presence. They should be home! To think that we can change thousands of years of belief in 10, 15 or 50 years... is the height of conceit!

I get it. TRUTH, JUSTICE and the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. But just for us.

It is the radical fringes that see us as infidels and interlopers. They are the ones that want to keep it the same way it was for the last 1000 years. If some one does not draw a line in the sand NOW, these radical fringes will gain even more control and power. Control is ok, but the POWER scares the shit out of me, and it should scare you too.

I hate to see us their, but I know that someone has got to step in and say enough is enough, before something really bad happens on our shores.

[TinyUFB]

And, isn't there a passage of the Bible that states when there is peace in the Middle East that the end of the world is near.

They've been fighting this battle for a long time, I don't think they understand the concept of compromise nor do they want to...they seem to enjoy violence - not all of them but the ones in power seem to.


You know it was not that long ago that they would say the same thing about the IRISH. Everyone said it was hopeless, and that they will be fighting each other for 100's of years to come.

Aint no different with the Arabs. Without outside intervention, some one to show them that there are alternative choices, they will never change.

[TinyUFB]

And, isn't there a passage of the Bible that states when there is peace in the Middle East that the end of the world is near.

They've been fighting this battle for a long time, I don't think they understand the concept of compromise nor do they want to...they seem to enjoy violence - not all of them but the ones in power seem to.


You know it was not that long ago that they would say the same thing about the IRISH. Everyone said it was hopeless, and that they will be fighting each other for 100's of years to come.

Aint no different with the Arabs. Without outside intervention, some one to show them that there are alternative choices, they will never change.

[Mr.Sinister]

Now if this was Norway or Italy, it would be a totally different matter. Yes it would! We would be dealing with angery and reasonable people. Not just angery. That is not racisist. There are no Norweigan/Italian suicide bombers. Homogenius societys rarely have these problems. Melting pots do. You believe that YOU have supirior point of view. Do you think for a moment that you may be wrong at all? That maby other peoples points count too? You are very fired up! I did not say we should pull out. I did not. I said that the only control in Iraq is with violence. I do not have a problem with violence. I say lets just call a spade a spade. Do I think that Arabs are Sub-human? YES! FUCK THEM! Is that racist? No! Let us look at what they project to the world! Moderate Muslims do almost nothing to stop Terrorists. The same way that everyday Christjans condone the killing of Docters in this country. Or the THEFT of democracy. When you do not stand up against injustist, you yourself are guilty of perpetuating the cycle of abuse. We all need to stand together in this country and around the world. We need to stand up to those that would control us with fear. I do not respect the cowardly. If you are unable to stand up to your fears or oppressors, maby you belong under the yoke of tyranny. I feel very apathetic about the muslim world. I know what they teach their children about me.

[TinyUFB]

.... You believe that YOU have supirior point of view. Do you think for a moment that you may be wrong at all? That maby other peoples points count too? You are very fired up! I did not say we should pull out. I did not. I said that the only control in Iraq is with violence. I do not have a problem with violence. ..Moderate Muslims do almost nothing to stop Terrorists. The same way that everyday Christjans condone the killing of Docters in this country. Or the THEFT of democracy. When you do not stand up against injustist, you yourself are guilty of perpetuating the cycle of abuse. We all need to stand together in this country and around the world. We need to stand up to those that would control us with fear. I do not respect the cowardly. If you are unable to stand up to your fears or oppressors, maby you belong under the yoke of tyranny. I feel very apathetic about the muslim world. I know what they teach their children about me.

Do I beleive my opinion is SUPERIOR? FUCK YES ! DO I think I am worng - HELL NO. Do other Peoples opinion count - NO!

"moderate Muslims do almost nothing to stop Terrorists" Same with the Irish. They were killing each off like flies.

No I know you did not say we should pull out. I was addressing other replies in this post as well. And the first two lines are tongue and cheek. I like to debate these issues. I respect your opinion, but will not shy away from expressing a counter opinion if I believe in it. Other peoples opinions is what I want to read.

At this moment I think your right about the violence. I think we need to come down hard on these fringe elements and quite pussy footing around. I think the borders need to be beefed up and prevent all these insurgent assholes from entering Iraq.

I draw the line however in that I do believe the average Iraqi citizen does not condone these fringe elements. They have been subjected to these elements for lifetimes. Sure they will not do much right now to stop them. They have learned that any attempt to stand up to them results in death, but with our support we can teach them to fight back and believe in themselves.

[dk's87]

IT"S NOT 1970 fucking EIGHT. Did you not read my post replying to him? It was the date above that little quote. NOT 1978.
1919

The Treaty of Versailles (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0861782.html) was signed in France (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107517.html), ending World War I (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0852742.html).
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW????????????
Ya i got it just being stupid not political, hence my signature.:rolleyes3

[pegscraper]

I kinda liked the sniper sitting on the boarder picking them off as they came into Iraq. I think they need more of them doing the same thing. I guess he was quite a shot too! Hey! Maybe that could be the next American vacation/hunting trip!

[Purpitrator]

1533
Pope Clement VII (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0376028.html) excommunicated England's King Henry VIII (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0823372.html).

1804
Former vice president Aaron Burr (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0809556.html) fatally wounded former secretary of the treasury Alexander Hamilton (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0822513.html) in a duel. Hamilton died the following afternoon.

1864
Confederate general Jubal A. Early (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0816545.html) and his troops attacked Washington, DC (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108620.html). They retreated the next day, ending the Confederate threat to occupy the capital.

1914
Babe Ruth (http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0109607.html) made his major league baseball debut as a pitcher for the Boston Red Sox.

1977
The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/mlkjrday1.html), was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his work to advance civil rights.

1989
Actor Laurence Olivier (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0836585.html) died.

1995
The United States and Vietnam (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108144.html) established full diplomatic relations.