Raked....

[Rheopipo]

Does someone know of raked trees for the ss750???

[Mean Streak]

Man, I know they make them. I've seen them in a 6 and 7 degree rake, but can't remember where. They were listed in our other forum before it went to shit. Somebody here will remember, just wait a couple days.

[Mean Streak]

Hey man, Mortons was one...........http://www.mortonscustom.com/
kinda high!

I know there was another, I think someone named Crusher in the old forum was making them. Maybe wrong though!
I think they were like a 5 or 6 degree for around $550.

[T_Sebastian]

bikercom.com has the best price ive seen on them

[cowboy]

rizoma makes some nice ones.
http://www.rizoma.com/pa052l.html

[T-Rob 666]

Does someone know of raked trees for the ss750???


I've got the 7* Morton's.....

[Menace]

I've got the 7* Morton's.....

Your ride is lookin bad ass T. I guess you get sick of hearing that.

:grenade:

[T-Rob 666]

Your ride is lookin bad ass T. I guess you get sick of hearing that.

:grenade:

LOL....thanks for the comp's. Hopefully, it'll be looking a bit better in a couple of weeks when everything comes out of the paint and chrome shop. :)

T

[herozup]

Hey T-Rob, did you have to put extensions on your tubes?

I saw that someone over at TSW was making the extensions. Billski, I think.

[T-Rob 666]

Hey T-Rob, did you have to put extensions on your tubes?

I saw that someone over at TSW was making the extensions. Billski, I think.

Yeah, mine came with 3" extensions. It's pretty cool. If you can picture this...on the Morton's, you don't have a "cap" at the end of the fork that you see on the top of the tree. With Morton's, you replace that "cap" with the extensions and then the whole fork tube screws into the triple tree...hence, you have nothing showing at the top of the tree. So, if you want to "lower" your front end some, you have to shorten that "pipe" that's inside your tube. I took about an inch off of it. Pretty easy.

T

[herozup]

That makes sense... sorta.

How does it ride? Notice a big difference in turning?

[T-Rob 666]

That makes sense... sorta.

How does it ride? Notice a big difference in turning?

Fuck!! Somebody put a fucking tricycle under my name!! LOL That's funny.

The ride is pretty much the same....you only notice it at first when you perform those slow tight turns (U turn). But, after a while, like anything else on the bike, you get use to it and then forget about it. :)

[Mr.Sinister]

Hey T-Rob, did you have to put extensions on your tubes?

I saw that someone over at TSW was making the extensions. Billski, I think.
http://www.billski182.com/ Here is a link to billski 's web site .

[mitchbelcourt]

http://www.billski182.com/ Here is a link to billski 's web site .

Here's another link! Looks like a pretty wicked deal!
http://ssl.webhouse.es/WebCommerce/Sistema/100000/infoproducto.asp?MiTienda=100420&MiIdioma=EN&CodProdLT=377226

[herozup]

Thanks for the link Mitch.... Thinkin' about this mod!

[midnight]

thanx guys , really appreciate you`re infos. t-rub, bike looks good !, wonder if you have extention on the shocks?

[midnight]

THANX cowboy for the info about the triple trhee

[T-Rob 666]

thanx guys , really appreciate you`re infos. t-rub, bike looks good !, wonder if you have extention on the shocks?

No probl, man. Extensions on my shocks? You mean, my forks? Yes. The Morton's kit came with 3" extensions.

T

[croach1]

No probl, man. Extensions on my shocks? You mean, my forks? Yes. The Morton's kit came with 3" extensions.

T

How do you like the extensions? Do they seem lika a weak point in any way? I have been looking at doing a 4 degree rake with 2" or 3" extensions but can't decide if it would really look good on an ACE. It is a lot of money to spend when I am not sure the look would be something I would like since I use a sissy bar, saddle bags and windshield. With as many trips as I take on my bike removing these items is not something I want to do.

[Mr.Sinister]

Don't do it with a fairing . A inproperly installed fairing can be dangerous . Miner adjustments up and down and back and forth can and will change your aerodynaics ! You do alot of highway riding , right ? The faster you go the worse it will get .

[Mr.Sinister]

thanx guys , really appreciate you`re infos. t-rub, bike looks good !, wonder if you have extention on the shocks?
T -rub - hahahahah I do believe works on his own bike . And that thing gets ridden by him alot .

[T-Rob 666]

How do you like the extensions? Do they seem lika a weak point in any way? I have been looking at doing a 4 degree rake with 2" or 3" extensions but can't decide if it would really look good on an ACE. It is a lot of money to spend when I am not sure the look would be something I would like since I use a sissy bar, saddle bags and windshield. With as many trips as I take on my bike removing these items is not something I want to do.

Weak point? Absolutely not. They are fucking solid through and through. The extensions replace your existing caps that you have now and then the extension, which is attached to the fork, screws into the top of the triple tree.

Personally, I'm not into bags and windshields, but I definitely think it would look better with a 4* rake. That's not too much. Plus, you would probably only need a 2" extension with 4*.

And, if you get it from Morton's, I can testify to the quality of it. It's rock solid. If properly install, which ain't that hard, you will have no problems at all with it on the highway or anywhere else.

So now, you have a decision to make. :) Financially, if you can, I say....do it! If you don't like, I'm sure somebody would be happy to take it off your hands. You might lose a few dollars, but that's better than not getting anything for it. Good luck with your decision.

T-Rob

PS....I'm seen my name type by two different people as T-rub. LOL It's ROB as in Robinson. LOL You fuckers kill me.

[croach1]

Don't do it with a fairing . A inproperly installed fairing can be dangerous . Miner adjustments up and down and back and forth can and will change your aerodynaics ! You do alot of highway riding , right ? The faster you go the worse it will get .

I don't like the look of the windshield that much, but after four hours at around 80 I am glad it's there. I didn't think about the fact it would change the aerodynamics on my windshield, but you are right. I could probably get past that by making some new mounting brackets for the shield and getting it back up to the correct angle. It's a memphis shades so all I would have to make is the top two quick connect brackets. Shouldn't be to hard.

I guess I would also have to consider the fact that the mounting for the windshield may not even work on a raked triple tree since they are designed for the stock tree.

I think I will do the Dyna 3000 first, then look at possibly playing around with this. May even convice myself to ditch the windshield entirely. Bugs are a good source of protein anyway.

[T-Rob 666]

I don't like the look of the windshield that much, but after four hours at around 80 I am glad it's there. I didn't think about the fact it would change the aerodynamics on my windshield, but you are right. I could probably get past that by making some new mounting brackets for the shield and getting it back up to the correct angle. It's a memphis shades so all I would have to make is the top two quick connect brackets. Shouldn't be to hard.

I guess I would also have to consider the fact that the mounting for the windshield may not even work on a raked triple tree since they are designed for the stock tree.

I think I will do the Dyna 3000 first, then look at possibly playing around with this. May even convice myself to ditch the windshield entirely. Bugs are a good source of protein anyway.

I do have a Memphis Shades windshield myself, but I only used for it for a couple of long trips. You're right, they definitely help on the highway. For this winter's mods, I've installed a new custom set of bars; I'm in the process of doing all the wiring, so I don't have any new pics yet. My new bars are 1.5" thick, so I imagine I won't be able to use the shield anymore.

Does your windshield attach to the forks? My attached on the bars. If your's does attach at the forks and you got the Morton's tree, it probably wouldn't fit. Morton sends with the kit two cover that go in between the two levels of the tree; they go over the forks to hide the extensions. Something to think about.

I got a friend over here in Germany that has an ACE and his is looking awesome!! If you decided to get rid of the windshield and bags and go with a chopper look, it could look something like this: :eek2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/t-rob/Trask-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/t-rob/Trask2-1.jpg

[croach1]

My shield actually connects to the tripple tree's. I may be able to come up with new brackets that would work. I would just have to get the trees on and then try to design some that would work. I guess I need to really think this through before I just start buying stuff. I may get through this summer and look at starting the bigger changes once it starts cooling off again.

Your friends bike looks great. I would love to make a bike like that and keep mine set up for the highway rides and two up riding. If only I could find that job making twice as much as I do now without going to jail.

[T-Rob 666]

My shield actually connects to the tripple tree's. I may be able to come up with new brackets that would work. I would just have to get the trees on and then try to design some that would work. I guess I need to really think this through before I just start buying stuff. I may get through this summer and look at starting the bigger changes once it starts cooling off again.

Your friends bike looks great. I would love to make a bike like that and keep mine set up for the highway rides and two up riding. If only I could find that job making twice as much as I do now without going to jail.

The owner of the bike, like me, can ride 2 up. We have p-pad's that sit on the rear fender for the ladies to sit on. You can do it any way you want to, man. Anything is possible.

I hear ya about making money. I'm just one of those poor soldiers serving his country, but I make enough to keep my head about the water. I'm happy, so life is good.

T

[blackhawk]

i was checking these (http://ssl.webhouse.es/WebCommerce/Sistema/100000/infoproducto.asp?MiTienda=100420&MiIdioma=EN&CodProdLT=377226) out and cannot figure out how you wouldn't need fork extensions. of course, i'm pretty ignorant to the whole rake change mod in general. these looked really good for the price, especially after looking at morton's (http://www.mortonscustom.com/) price.

[Mr.Sinister]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YYYYYYYYYYYYEAAAAAAA . Fuck off noob . And welcome .

[RustyJake]

i was checking these (http://ssl.webhouse.es/WebCommerce/Sistema/100000/infoproducto.asp?MiTienda=100420&MiIdioma=EN&CodProdLT=377226) out and cannot figure out how you wouldn't need fork extensions. of course, i'm pretty ignorant to the whole rake change mod in general. these looked really good for the price, especially after looking at morton's (http://www.mortonscustom.com/) price.
There are quite a few that have the rakes trees that aren't running extensions. But if you want to go that route, Billski (http://billski182.com/frame1.htm) is now selling extensions on his site.

[gozz2121]

hey man ive got the bikercom 6* trees on my 03 withou extensions, the only thing is on sharp left turns you might scrape your kickstand, i have a few times , will prolly go extensions this winter. hope it helps

[blackhawk]

hey man ive got the bikercom 6* trees on my 03 withou extensions, the only thing is on sharp left turns you might scrape your kickstand, i have a few times , will prolly go extensions this winter. hope it helps

how much trail did you end up with with the 6 degree? i'm assuming you're running a stock frame/steering neck.

[gozz2121]

I'm not exactly, not even remotely sure what trail is, :embarasse but yes it is a stock frame and neck

[AirportFF]

From what I understand trail is. If you draw a vertical line through your steering head and another through the center of the front wheel. The distance between the two is the trail.

At least that's how it was explained to me

[RustyJake]

This will give a pretty good picture of the geometry of the front end and explain rake and trail http://www.jeris-springer.com/raketrail.html
This one is good if you are looking to calculate rake/trail http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/rakeandtrail.html

[AirportFF]

So the way I read that is trail is not a vertical line through the head, but along the axis

[RustyJake]

It's a combination of both lines one being on the axle, the other on the neck.
The drawing shows an imaginary line using the front axle to the ground at 90* straight down. Now there's an line that when you look down the neck it will make contact with the ground. The difference between where the imaginary contact points are is what is calculated at trail.
Have a look at the second website I posted, it shows how increasing the rake changes the trail distance.

[M@Man]

Lot's of info on this thread! :thumb:
I have a couple of questions, I think I know the answer to the first one, but I'm not positive because I've never dealt with a raked triple tree, so here's the questions...

If you get a raked tree but don't extend the forks, doesn't that lower the front of the bike?
If so, by how much?

Thanks for the info,
M@

[RustyJake]

Yeah, it lowers the bike. A few guys on the TSW forum had the raked trees and would rub the frame or kickstand on turns. I know a few have purchased the extensions from Billski for the forks and it's helped a lot. I'm sure some math genius could figure it out based on the degree of rake in the trees with how long the forks are now and the tire dimension. I don't know the formula, hopefully someone might.

[M@Man]

Thanks :happy: I don't think that I have to worry about it though, cuz I've never seen a raked tree made for my bike, but I did wonder about that.

Unless someone knows which tripple tree is compatable for an 86 VT700?
Moddin' forward controls, and airboxes are one thing, there ain't no way I'm gonna try hackin' up my tree.:no:

I would like to lower my bike by an inch or two, but with the air adustable shocks and forks, I'm not sure if I can. :headscrat
Gotta say one more time though...Great Thread! :thumb:

M@

[blackhawk]

If you get a raked tree but don't extend the forks, doesn't that lower the front of the bike?
If so, by how much?

Thanks for the info,
M@

yeah, i'm thinking the same thing. you increase your rake you are pushing the front wheel out (forward) which will drop the height at the top of the forks. if i do this i think i will go with fork extensions.

according to my owner's manual a ss750 ('03) comes stock with 6" of trail. installing raked trees will decrease this distance and at some point, depending on the degree of rake will neutralize or even become negative (both very bad). it seems as if the norm for raked trees is 3, 5, and 7 degrees, but apparently there are some 6 degree trees out there as well (the 3, 5, and 7 may be a hd thing i don't know). what i'm trying to figure out is how much that degree of rake change affects the trail in inches. anybody with raked trees know what their trail is and what degree of rake they have?

another thing, the owner's manual says the caster is 34 degrees, is that the same thing as rake? i can't find a reference for this word in a motorcycle context, just in cars. :undecided

[gozz2121]

I havent really noticed any major handling probs, but havent been on any long rides with the 6* trees just back and forth to work. Getting a few days off this weekend and will try to check trail and post back later, thanks for the info guys.Just for infosake the bikercom trees description on their website, www.bikercom.com (http://www.bikercom.com) saysa that these trees were for a black widow?

[RustyJake]

Black widow is the spirit in Europe. That's one of the reasons I went with the spider theme on my bike.

[T-Rob 666]

Black widow is the spirit in Europe. That's one of the reasons I went with the spider theme on my bike.

RustyJake,
I was just about to tell him the same thing. I'm currently stationed in Germany and two of my German friends have "Black Widows". Hey, you got any bigger, closer up pics of your ride? I'd like to check it out.

[RustyJake]

Yeah, I do have some others. The ones I posted in the garage I downsized to get them uploaded. I also have a few other shots that I never posted. I can email a couple to you if you wanted.
Thanks for the suggestion about the sidemount wiring. It's definitely something that I'll be looking at over next winter. Did you drill through the swingarm for yours?

[T-Rob 666]

Yeah, I do have some others. The ones I posted in the garage I downsized to get them uploaded. I also have a few other shots that I never posted. I can email a couple to you if you wanted.
Thanks for the suggestion about the sidemount wiring. It's definitely something that I'll be looking at over next winter. Did you drill through the swingarm for yours?

Drill through the swingarm for what? My wiring? No. I ran from the brake light directly to the chain guard and glued it inside that. I don't have any close ups of it but if you look at this pic closely, you can barely see where it enters into the swingarm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/t-rob/My%20Bike/DSC01801-1.jpg

[Mr.Sinister]

Yeah, it lowers the bike. A few guys on the TSW forum had the raked trees and would rub the frame or kickstand on turns. I know a few have purchased the extensions from Billski for the forks and it's helped a lot. I'm sure some math genius could figure it out based on the degree of rake in the trees with how long the forks are now and the tire dimension. I don't know the formula, hopefully someone might.
I know that on HD chops the general rule is 2" for every 2 degrees .That is on standard down tubes . If you took a 36 deg rake and moved it to 38 or 40 deg you would extend the forks 2" to 4" depending on frame geometery . Give or take .

[RustyJake]

....or the calculation could be quite simple! :wink_2:

Thanks Mr.Sinister, figured someone would know. And a rule of thumb works in most cases.

[gozz2121]

okay here goes using hitech hillbilly figgerin and the trail calculator provided earlier in the thread with stock neck and frame plus 6* trees trail is about 2.2 " is this within the range?:undecided

[blackhawk]

everything i've read recommends 2-4 inches of trail, although it seems as if stock trail is a bit more. so, yes, its in the recommended range. did it seem to handle much differently? supposedly it gets easier to manipulate at lower speeds with less trail, and becomes less stable at higher speeds.

[gozz2121]

doesn't seem much different with trees but I only been ridin since last Sept. and didn't do much before I changed everthing, for what it's worth!!:idea2:

[ames77us]

I've been curious about fork extensions. How will they effect my ride?

[RAZOR]

I've been curious about fork extensions. How will they effect my ride?
FROM WHAT I HEARD THE HANDLEING IS BETTER.

[AirportFF]

they will also give your front end a bit more ground clearance. That's nice if you lowered the bike. You won't scrape the pegs as easy.

[VooDoo_Daddy13]

Howdy Folks,

Not sure if anyone has posted this link. I went through the list and didn't see it but just making sure. This company offers 9*, 14* and 18* rakes for Shadow Ace and Spirit and your choice of length for fork legs. Hope this helps.

http://www.chopper-kit-usa.com/honda-VT750_c.htm

Take care.

[Motosicle]

+1 Morton 7* tree's 3" extensions installed no headlight quality is uncomparable! this is my second set.