Metzeler

[BamaKC]

Thinking about the rear tire and going for a 200 on my 2001 Shadow ACE. Stock tire is 170/80 15 ... so I did some caluclations and came up what I was looking for would be on the order of a 200/70 15.

Found a place that sells the MetzelerME 880 Marathon XXL

for $165.99 including shipping.

Questions are:
1. What are others experience with this manufacture.
2. Experiences with this specific tire model.
3. Read that a 200 will work fine... reassurance would be that others are riding on them.

Comments?

link for those that want to check it out...
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=2806&department=647&division=6

Thanks,

[Customdreamcycles]

200 on your stock rim is going to be narrower than a 180 on your stock rim.

[jrod1970]

i sell alot of metz' to harley guys,they say the ride is good,but dont feel they got the milage they hoped for,try dunlop or avon tires

[Customdreamcycles]

Metzelers Me 880 are far better all around tires than Dunlops, They last a lot longer than previous metzelers, plus a lot more grip on wet & Dry than Dunlops.

[Wild Coyote]

What is the fatest looking tire you can put on a stock rim?

[Customdreamcycles]

A 180 is the widest you can install if you actually install a 200 tire on a 15x3.5 Rear Wheel its going to be narrower than a 180. If you only care about the number on your tire saying 200 Go for It. 200 tires are designed for 5.5-6.0 inch rim


Eduardo Ruiz
www.customdreamcycles.com (http://www.customdreamcycles.com)

[Customdreamcycles]

my site is down try www.cruiseconcepts.biz (http://www.cruiseconcepts.biz) its the same website.

Thanks

Eduardo

[BamaKC]

A 180 is the widest you can install if you actually install a 200 tire on a 15x3.5 Rear Wheel its going to be narrower than a 180. If you only care about the number on your tire saying 200 Go for It. 200 tires are designed for 5.5-6.0 inch rim


Eduardo Ruiz
www.customdreamcycles.com (http://www.customdreamcycles.com)

No offence, but I'd like to hear the same from others that are not in the business of selling rims. While what you say may be true, I have a hard time understanding the geomitry that would make a 180 fatter on a 3.5" rim than a 200 would be.

Can you explain how this is? Regardless you don't have a possible sale in the works with me because I couldn't afford your rims in the first place.

[Low'02spirit]

No offence, but I'd like to hear the same from others that are not in the business of selling rims. While what you say may be true, I have a hard time understanding the geomitry that would make a 180 fatter on a 3.5" rim than a 200 would be.

Can you explain how this is? Regardless you don't have a possible sale in the works with me because I couldn't afford your rims in the first place.
Now kick him while he's down and tell him to fuck off!:pissed:

[jrod1970]

Metzelers Me 880 are far better all around tires than Dunlops, They last a lot longer than previous metzelers, plus a lot more grip on wet & Dry than Dunlops. you live in the desert?

[jrod1970]

A 180 is the widest you can install if you actually install a 200 tire on a 15x3.5 Rear Wheel its going to be narrower than a 180. If you only care about the number on your tire saying 200 Go for It. 200 tires are designed for 5.5-6.0 inch rim


Eduardo Ruiz
www.customdreamcycles.com (http://www.customdreamcycles.com) how is 180 narrower than 200?

[blackhawk]

how is 180 narrower than 200?
as i understand it, its because its pinched together to fit on a rim that is, effectively, too small.

hey, customdreamcycle, thanks for the info. you're getting beat up pretty good even though you are the biggest site contributor and make no bones about what your business is. asking you questions about tires and rims seems no different, to me, than asking the clown at the dealer/tire store/rim shop whatever. i appreciate your input.

[Customdreamcycles]

go ahead install a 200 on your stock rim and measure then stick the toungue in the ass. Im not trying to sell you rimms im trying to sell you on the idea of buying a 180 instead of a 200 on your stock rim. Otherwise buy a 200 and the tire will bulge up instead of sideways. Im youst here trying to help people on the tecnical stuff. I dont only answer questions about rims and tires. Look at the posts of spedometer not working and things like it i have posted my technical knowledge even Honda Part Numbers to fix your problems.

If you dont want my advise just dont listen to it. Plus the advise i gave you was for stock sizing rims and i dont sell stock size.

Hope i can be of any help in the future

Eduardo Ruiz

www.cruiseconcepts.biz (http://www.cruiseconcepts.biz)
www.customdreamcycles.com (http://www.customdreamcycles.com)

[RAZOR]

go ahead install a 200 on your stock rim and measure then stick the toungue in the ass. Im not trying to sell you rimms im trying to sell you on the idea of buying a 180 instead of a 200 on your stock rim. Otherwise buy a 200 and the tire will bulge up instead of sideways. Im youst here trying to help people on the tecnical stuff. I dont only answer questions about rims and tires. Look at the posts of spedometer not working and things like it i have posted my technical knowledge even Honda Part Numbers to fix your problems.

If you dont want my advise just dont listen to it. Plus the advise i gave you was for stock sizing rims and i dont sell stock size.

Hope i can be of any help in the future

Eduardo Ruiz

www.cruiseconcepts.biz (http://www.cruiseconcepts.biz)
www.customdreamcycles.com (http://www.customdreamcycles.com)
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR TECHNICAL ADVISE,YOU ARE MUCH HELP TO US ALL.
THE BEST ADVISE IS FROM SOMEONE THAT HAS ACUALLY HAS HANDS ON WITH
THIS STUFF.:happy:

[calicruiser]

go ahead install a 200 on your stock rim and measure then stick the toungue in the ass. Im not trying to sell you rimms im trying to sell you on the idea of buying a 180 instead of a 200 on your stock rim. Otherwise buy a 200 and the tire will bulge up instead of sideways. Im youst here trying to help people on the tecnical stuff. I dont only answer questions about rims and tires. Look at the posts of spedometer not working and things like it i have posted my technical knowledge even Honda Part Numbers to fix your problems.

If you dont want my advise just dont listen to it. Plus the advise i gave you was for stock sizing rims and i dont sell stock size.

Hope i can be of any help in the future

Eduardo Ruiz

www.cruiseconcepts.biz (http://www.cruiseconcepts.biz)
www.customdreamcycles.com (http://www.customdreamcycles.com)

hey man, I completely agree with you on the 200 vs. 180 on a STOCK rim. The 200 will be piched and will be taller than a 180. makes sense cause the rim is only 3.5" that is why it comes from the factory with a 160 or 170 on it and not a 200.

what do you think about a 160 or 170 on a 4.5" rim?? I saw one in a mag, a 160 on a 4" rim and it looked nice. I am not really into the fat rear look but want something a little beefier than the 160 on the 3.5" rim I got now. thanks !!

[Customdreamcycles]

On a spirit 750 get any rim that is 5.5 inches wide , then install a 180 tire if you dont want to do any modifications or a 200 if you are willing to modify your inner fender structure.
The wider the rim the wider the tire is going to look. But too wide is just as bad as too narrow. a 3.5 rim is made for a tire 140-170 a 4.25 rim works from 150-170 and a 5.5 rim is made for 180-210

Thanks

Eduardo Ruiz

www.cruiseconcepts.biz (http://www.cruiseconcepts.biz)
www.customdreamcycles.com (http://www.customdreamcycles.com)

[AirportFF]

No offence, but I'd like to hear the same from others that are not in the business of selling rims. While what you say may be true, I have a hard time understanding the geomitry that would make a 180 fatter on a 3.5" rim than a 200 would be.

Can you explain how this is? Regardless you don't have a possible sale in the works with me because I couldn't afford your rims in the first place.


Go with the Metzelers. I have them on the Magna and it goes through a corner like a monorail. Wet weather traction is great too.

[BamaKC]

Eduardo,

I may have misjudged your intent. If so, I'm sorry about that. I'm likely one of the older members here and as a result I'm tend to look beyond face value of someones intent.

Not an excuse, just a explanation of a reaction.

Fact is that I couldn't concieve of the geometry that would cause a 200 be narrower than a 180 on the 3.5 wide rim. I asked for explanation in the reply. This is my first chance to read the forum since posting that, and in that time that has passed I looked closely at the 200 tire and tried to work it out for myself.

I had already came to the conclusion that you were indeed correct, due to the very low sidewall on the 200's. When the bead is pulled in from its formed posion it would pull the tread around to the sidewall, resulting in less overall stance.

Turns out my observations were in the right direction because is seems some others were able to point out the same thing.

Sorry to have bitten your feeding hand. After a half century of lifes knocks and cons and making a living in information security, I've gotten a little too quick to shot now ask questions later. Forgive me.

[Customdreamcycles]

No problems Ken, I really like that you apologized, i apologize for my litle rough answer too. Just want everybody know that i have been a biker for over 25 years and ridden about everything you can imagine. Apart from owning cruise concepts. I also run Custom Dream Cycles a motorcycle shop in San juan Puerto Rico specializing in Metric Cruisers, so most if not all of the problems you guys go thru on your bikes i might have gone through them already maybe a couple of times at least. We started customizing and selling metric stuff when there where not any aftermarket stuff to install on your bikes. On some companies i made them build some of the products they now offer by placing huge orders on stuff that i needed or my customers wanted. So if you want some advice dont forget to e-mail me or give me a call , always willing to help.

Thanks again

Eduardo
www.cruiseconcepts.biz (http://www.cruiseconcepts.biz)
www.customdreamcycles.com (http://www.customdreamcycles.com)

[ickmak]

I really don't like the 200 on the stock rim it looks fat, thats my .02 cents:thumbsup:

[BamaKC]

Now for the problem.... I really want a 200 on the back of my ACE... so that means to do so and have it look and perform as it was designed I need to get a rim that would be 5.5.

I've read all the threads related to fat tires and there were serveral guys that laced up a replacement 5.5 rim. Think even some of them were 6" width if I remember correctly.

Does Honda or anyone else make a 15" rim that I could get re-laced to my hub?

[Customdreamcycles]

Buchanan spoke and rim can make you a 15x5.5 0r 15x6 their number is
(626)969-4655

[ickmak]

Now for the problem.... I really want a 200 on the back of my ACE... so that means to do so and have it look and perform as it was designed I need to get a rim that would be 5.5.

I've read all the threads related to fat tires and there were serveral guys that laced up a replacement 5.5 rim. Think even some of them were 6" width if I remember correctly.

Does Honda or anyone else make a 15" rim that I could get re-laced to my hub?

you could do the cbr mod, :thumbsup:

[RustyJake]

Try looking here http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20 for some info on the VTX mod.

[BamaKC]

Try looking here http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20 for some info on the VTX mod.

I didn't see any ACE's in that pack that was doing the vxt rim mod. Has anyone done this to an ACE. If so, did you have to mod/remove the subframe on the ACE? If the mods result in no two up riding then I guess I'll have to scale back on my tire/rim choices.