1100 Frame swap

[captn crash]

OK, heres the deal. I picked up a 96, 1100 a while ago. was a project and I made plans on bobbing it out. I traded a 3/4 chopper that didnt get riden for it. the guy i traded for says the shadow belonged to his dad who is dead now and this is why no title. well I didnt have a title for 3/4 so fuck it right? well you guessed it, the bike didnt belong to a dead father and YEP.. has a lien on it. I contacted the lien ppl and they say "sure no prob" just send us yur address and we'll send ya the release.
so I go ahead a start the bobber build while waiting for the release and YEP. they blew me off. (several times) now Im stuck with a half bobbed shadow. Sooo.. I was wondering,
should I just pick up a titled frame from a salvage yard or is there anybody that makes an aftermarket frame for an 1100 shaft drive honda? a nice one sided hardtail would be sweet!
If not, who can I trust for a good titled frame. I see frames all day on ebay and shit but I really dont want to end up with 2 frames I cant use.

[JayT]

Go to your DMV, File for lost title (owner dont matter).
They sit on it for a while to make sure its cool, but then after 60 days they will send you a title in your name.

Since you came to them and they can now tract the bike and owner (you) they know if its indeed stolen they can refer to you.

Thats how its done with people who past away, estate sales that have vehicles, storage auctions, and so on....

If you can wait on them to run a title search and draft a new title thats your best bet.

Where I live its 27 bux for the whole process...

[captn crash]

2nd time trying to rply. anyways. I should have been clearer. I did go to dmv, they ran a check and found out the previouse owner is Not dead and has a lien on the buke. DMV told me I needed to send certified letters to the previouse owner and to the lien company. I've done this 3 times each.

every letter gets signed for and then I dont hear anything back. now dmv tells me it would be better if they didnt sign for it. then It would be a "unable to make contact" situation. and I could then just move on, lost title, pay the 30 bucks, job done.

the lien company has closed many of there branches including the one this note was writen at. but since they are still in buisness they still have the note...somewhere. they tell me to send them a certified letter along with a lien release request and they will release it to me no problems. 3 times later I still have no lien release.

Now its nice and warm outside and every weekend my little mountain town gets over run with bikes and I JUST WANNA RIDE!! sry

[JayT]

IMO, If a lien holder goes outta biz, they sell the debt to another agency.
I would think if theres any kind of lien then the bike still belongs to them, frame swap would seem like a stolen bike...

Maybe I'm missing something

[captn crash]

well I kinda agree with ya. I believe the titled owner traded the bike to someone, he then traded it to someone else who ended up trading it to me. the lien company doesnt want the bike.( I asked) and to be honest its not even a whole bike anymore. (prob why they dont want it) now I have a bike sitting in my garage that I cant do anything with.

The lien company didnt close or sell off to another agency. they just closed the cali office, where the lien was signed for.( the bike and liened owner reside in AZ) they still operate but its out of pennsylvania. not sure why when I call them; they dont have a problem saying "oh just send us the proper paperwork and we'll send you the release" and when I do I get nothing back, or hear from them at all. almost like they have lost track of the note and who ever answers the phone there is just blowin smoke up my ass.

DMV told me the bike has not been reported stolen so I think Im just a link in the chain of ppl trying to get around the lien company. the lien company told me that there is nothing owed on the bike and this is why they wouldnt mind sending me the release. but here I am 3 tries and a year later and I still dont have the paperwork to title the bike.

honestly Im not sure where to go from here and this is why Im thinking frame swap. if anyone has a better idea I would be more than willing to try it. this bike is not stolen, its just that knowone wants to claim it. its stuck in red tape land and I cant seem to get it out. I even stated in all of the certified letters to the last know tittled owner where the bike is, if they want it come and get it. if not just send me a bill of sale,title or anything that says you dont want it. but yet even though they sign for the certified letters they send me nothing back. hell I even include a self addressed return envelope evey time.

trust me I have cut no corners trying to do this the proper way. I really dont even want to go though the hassle of swapping the frame but I've been making attempts for a year now. all to get nowhere. and I dont want to be like all the previouse ppl and just throw it up on craigslist and end up screwing the next guy.

[captn crash]

ok. really thought someone would have some advise. after reading the back story on this bike what would you do? sit on it forever. let a perfectly good 1100 motor go to waste? or slap the motor in a new frame ? Im open to suggestions

[USAF Shadow Rider]

Just my .02; but after a year or so and 3 tries at contacting ppl that need to be contacted and getting nothing in return; I'd pull said motor and put it in a new frame. To me, that is not a like a stolen bike; its more like swapping the motor in a car. Like I said, just my .02

[dean]

what's the name of the lien company? maybe someone wight know somebody that can help you.

I also have kinda the same problem with my bike. when I got the bike and transferred it into my name, the title came back as a re-issued title for a 1969 bike. My bike is a 1998, and someone pop-rivited a vin tag to the plastics, that matched the title. I found the original vin number and did a car-fax -- it came up as a salvage. I did some checking and for me to get a title that matches the vin on the bike, I could go to a titling company( I think the price was about $300-$500 dollars) and they would issue me an out of state title in my name, and then i would have to have it transferred into my state. I don't know if they could help you, but they could probably fight the lean issue a little better than you and possibly get things resolved. There are several places on the internet that i looked at, just google "title services"

[captn crash]

well the dmv gave me the lien companies name as "House hold retail services" out of sacramento Ca. but when I called the phone company to look up ther number there was no listing. so i went online and came up with "HSBC" with the head office in IL. so they are the ppl I've been dealing with. they confirmed the title # that I gave em so they must be the right ppl right? just not getting anywhere with em.

I might look into one of those title companies but to be honest @$300-$500 I might as well pic up a frame or a shadow with a blown motor. Im doing a bobber so I dont really need all the extra shadow stuff. as it is I've already sold the stuff not being used on this one, and if I was to pic up a shadow with a blow motor I could just sell the extra stuff off of it to absorb some of the extra cost Im going to eat.

I'm already kicking myself in the ass because I had originaly paid 1500 for the 3/4 chopper i traded for this project! I know DUMB ASS! but I was board and wanted to buid a bobber, had the 3/4 up on craigs and got this offer so here I am. just one more shmuck fucked by craigs list. the best part is the guy I got it from actualy gave me a bill of sale! dont really matter as the bike/lien wasnt in his name. I would go pay him a visit but i dont wanna go back to jail. pluss (this may or maynot be true) but he told me he was a jailer at florence prison here in AZ. kickin his ass prolly wouldnt go over to well in court.

[JayT]

Hell, I suppose if ur gunna swap it, you might as well chop, drop and rake it!

[captn crash]

Hell, I suppose if ur gunna swap it, you might as well chop, drop and rake it!

my thought exactly. previously i stated that i started to bob it out while waitint for the all the paperwork to get back to me (impatient and thought all would go as planned haha) so I've already dropped the front 2.5" fabbed some struts for the rear wich dropped it 3", threw on some drag bars with white vintage style coke bottle grips, bobbed a flat fender on rear and ditched the front fender all together and was in the middle of fabbing up a sissy bar when I finaly got discouraged about the paperwork and stopped the build. still has the mock up of the sissy bar on the bike. looks like i was in the middle of something and said fuck it and walked away.

This is one reason I asked if anyone knew of a aftermarket frame for a shafty. I'm thinking a one sided hard tail would be sweet. starting to kick aroung the idea of just picking up a hardtail frame that I can squeez that motor/tranny in and hack off the left side.

If you look closely at the pics of my vtx you'll notice it has no struts or shocks visible, and its a shafty. it actualy had a one sided swing arm with 2 shocks hidden underneath attachet to a plate on the swing arm. rode sweet and looked amazing.

[dean]

I'd like to find a fork and a new front tire for mine to take it back to original, so I can have a speedometer again. but parts around here are hard to find.

[captn crash]

I'd like to find a fork and a new front tire for mine to take it back to original, so I can have a speedometer again. but parts around here are hard to find.

Do you ebay? loads of stuff on there. I was just looking on craigs and couldnt find any 1100 projects. was one a few weeks ago but had no motor,seat,tank, needed tire's,been parked for 2years and the guy wouldnt budge off 800.:freak:

[dean]

Not much of an e-bayer --got burned a few times, I'm not in a big hurry. I'll find it eventually. good luck with your 1100, I'll keep checking on your progress.

[Rattlecanman]

was going to post how the lien company could give a shit less if there not going to get money out of it. and have no incentive to spend any man hrs doing paperwork but I see crash has been banned...so fuck it

[JayT]

was going to post how the lien company could give a shit less if there not going to get money out of it. and have no incentive to spend any man hrs doing paperwork but I see crash has been banned...so fuck it

This cracks me up, hahaahaahaahaaaaa

[Rattlecanman]

This cracks me up, hahaahaahaahaaaaa
was ment to do just that. but the ppl have spoken. no worries, ill go

[woodytick]

was ment to do just that. but the ppl have spoken. no worries, ill go


what is this the cry me a river routine. oh boo who poor me.....

[FordBoy33]

I have a nice 1998 VT1100 frame with a clear/clean title for sale in Houston. I was asking $350, but I'll take $250 now. Was hoping for local sale...I have no idea how to ship it to Arizona. Its not in my name, but I do have the Texas title transfer form (like a bill of sale in TX) from the guy who's name is on the title, so its ready to title. I didn't want to pay the couple hundred in taxes to do it, since I bought it without a motor to part out.

Anyway, send me a PM with your email address if you're interested, and I'll shoot you a note.

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