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4jranch
07-14-2009, 10:33 AM
Our new Attorney General has already said this is one of his major issues.
This takes literally 2 clicks to complete.
Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month.. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.
First - vote on this one. Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published. Vote in the USA Today poll - click on the link below. The Question is: Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms? Vote here: Yes!!!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm

Romparoo
07-14-2009, 10:52 AM
I just voted....Yes has a huge overwhelming win!

I also just searched their site to try and find the poll on their page and couldn't find it. It looks like they have hidden it, probably because of the overwhelming YES votes!

Also, in AZ, this just passed! http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/politics/state_politics/guns_in_bars_passed_07_13_2009

apache driver
07-14-2009, 09:08 PM
Well, I voted, But........this administration has proven time and again that it makes no difference whatsoever what the American people want, if they want to take our guns they will do so, or at least try; in my opinion, they (the Obama administration) are not stupid enough to try it; they have to know that the people will not allow that, and any attempt to do so will certainly lead to armed conflict within our own borders; it has happened before, and may well be the only thing that can get our country back in shape.

bigdavy_p
07-14-2009, 09:12 PM
This takes literally 2 clicks to complete.

Not to be a smart ass but, that was actually three clicks.

Raymo
07-14-2009, 09:37 PM
Well, I voted, But........this administration has proven time and again that it makes no difference whatsoever what the American people want, if they want to take our guns they will do so, or at least try; in my opinion, they (the Obama administration) are not stupid enough to try it; they have to know that the people will not allow that, and any attempt to do so will certainly lead to armed conflict within our own borders; it has happened before, and may well be the only thing that can get our country back in shape.

Easy Bro, this administration has only been in office 7 months. Nobody has came after my guns yet, and it would be a mistake if they did. Even Sotomayor said today "I understand how important the right to keep and bear arms is to many people; one of my godchildren is a member of the NRA." She is Obamas' nomination.

Boris
07-14-2009, 09:55 PM
I personally believe that gun control is a must.





Aim at what you are shooting and don't be all gangsta holding that broke ass Glock all sideways and shit.

CheeseMan316
07-14-2009, 10:37 PM
I personally believe that gun control is a must.





Aim at what you are shooting and don't be all gangsta holding that broke ass Glock all sideways and shit.

I'm sure you probably think I'm picking on you cuz I keep replying to your posts today but I can assure you I'm not. I own a glock and have never had a problem with it. Maybe it's holding it the wrong way that makes it broke ass.

apache driver
07-14-2009, 11:08 PM
Easy Bro, this administration has only been in office 7 months. Nobody has came after my guns yet, and it would be a mistake if they did. Even Sotomayor said today "I understand how important the right to keep and bear arms is to many people; one of my godchildren is a member of the NRA." She is Obamas' nomination.

I'm good man; just commenting about all of the 2nd ammendment hysteria that has become so prevalent. I really doubt anyone would be stupid enough to try to repeal the 2nd ammendment. Not yet sure what to make of all the talk I've been hearing about serial numbered ammo though; could be a problem.

SmokeShowin
07-14-2009, 11:24 PM
Our new Attorney General has already said this is one of his major issues.
This takes literally 2 clicks to complete.
Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month.. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.
First - vote on this one. Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published. Vote in the USA Today poll - click on the link below. The Question is: Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms? Vote here: Yes!!!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm

Ummm...That poll is from 2007. :dizzy:

4jranch
07-14-2009, 11:45 PM
I hate it when I forward info I get on the internet and then find out it isn't quite right. How did you get the dates?

Either way it is good to have Americans talking about their constitutional rights and what that means. I had a good conversation with my liberal 20yo son about the 2nd amendment and why it was placed in the constitution in the first place and why it might make a difference............

SmokeShowin
07-15-2009, 01:05 AM
I hate it when I forward info I get on the internet and then find out it isn't quite right. How did you get the dates?

Either way it is good to have Americans talking about their constitutional rights and what that means. I had a good conversation with my liberal 20yo son about the 2nd amendment and why it was placed in the constitution in the first place and why it might make a difference............

It says 2007 right in the link! LOL! :lol:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm)

craigv318
07-15-2009, 01:23 AM
BAN all GUNS

SVLX
07-15-2009, 01:55 AM
This horseshit about having our guns taken away is just another ploy by the powers that be to get votes from dumbasses.

There was a recently paroled felon not long ago all hopped up on who knows what that shot three trick or treaters through his front door with an AK-47 because he thought it was either the cops or someone after his drug money (who knows what the fucktard was thinking.)

The essential problem is where in the hell did he get an AK-47? That dumbass should not have had a fucking slingshot.

That is what we are talking about. Not taking everyones guns away. Get a fucking clue.

4jranch
07-15-2009, 07:45 AM
Actually it is not that simple. Of course convicted felons shouldn't have guns and there is no question that we have a problem with homicide here in the US. The Canadians have lots of guns but don't have the same murder rate, yet. I do respect the Aussie's opinion to ban all guns but that isn't likely ever here in the US and I'm not convinced that it should be.

In a conversation yesterday with our local sheriff, he told me that they were having problems getting ammo. I mentioned that it was likely due to hoarding with people being afraid that their options to buy it in the future would be compromised so they were buying all they could get now. He felt that was not the case and that there was a real limit on the supply from the top, what ever that means.

As I said interesting debate.

Sorry the poll was not current information........

mcvierh
07-15-2009, 06:01 PM
I just voted yes of course...at the bottom you can count to 3 and hit current results and it goes up by 4-8 votes on the yes side, means that people are voting every 1/2 a second or more......

Beaker
07-15-2009, 08:04 PM
Actually it is not that simple. Of course convicted felons shouldn't have guns and there is no question that we have a problem with homicide here in the US. The Canadians have lots of guns but don't have the same murder rate, yet.

Yes, we have lots of guns. Rifles. It has always been very difficult to legally possess a handgun here and now it isn't even worth the trouble (you have to pass the rifle course, you have to belong to a bonafide shooting club, then you have to pass the pistol course and have a criminal records check, etc). The majority of our handgun homicides are committed with guns smuggled in from the U.S. (we have chapters of Bloods, Crips, MS-13, etc up here).

BamaShadow
07-17-2009, 10:52 PM
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff334/slossrat/guncontrol.jpg

Beaker
07-17-2009, 11:08 PM
Bama, that is one truly stupid poster. Ya, let's let every idiot in the world take a gun on an airplane. That'll stop terrorists. Because they won't have to bother: the population will kill itself, because on flights (like the freeway), is where they REALLY keep it together.

apache driver
07-17-2009, 11:16 PM
Bama, that is one truly stupid poster. Ya, let's let every idiot in the world take a gun on an airplane. That'll stop terrorists. Because they won't have to bother: the population will kill itself, because on flights (like the freeway), is where they REALLY keep it together.

YUP!!

cjones
07-18-2009, 08:04 AM
our state just passed it so we can carry guns in national parks and bars i figure thats just where armed people need to be., in a bar getting drunk maybe they didnt think this through

Pez
07-18-2009, 08:27 AM
They can have my guns............... when they figure out who's coming through the door first. lmao.

Evil Lurker
07-18-2009, 06:10 PM
Well guns ain't the problem... its the people who use them. People generally just don't around shooting other people for shits and giggles.

Take out all the gang bangers and thugs, the meth, coke, and opiate users who need to steal and rob to support their habit, and the occasional white man that goes totally ape shit crazy on a killing spree and I bet you will eliminate 80% of the firearm related homicides.

As far as the guns in bars legislation, also in my state, well I consider that to be some stupid legislation that will eventually result in somone getting killed. At least the politicians weres smart enough to leave an "out" in the form of the establishment putting up a no gun sign.

Guns in parks I see no problem with. Most forbid alcohol and other nonsense and there ain't much difference that I can see in carrying in a park as there would be in carrying in any other public place like the local walmart parking lot.

I think people seem to forget that FREEDOM ISN'T FREE and that the right to protect oneself with a firearm has and will continue to costs lives. If and when the time comes where you need to defend yourself against a threat which is more than a match for you, which is more important... the cost in other peoples lives which may or may not have been saved by taking away your right to bear arms, or your life.

Raymo
07-18-2009, 09:46 PM
Well guns ain't the problem... its the people who use them. People generally just don't around shooting other people for shits and giggles.

Take out all the gang bangers and thugs, the meth, coke, and opiate users who need to steal and rob to support their habit, and the occasional white man that goes totally ape shit crazy on a killing spree and I bet you will eliminate 80% of the firearm related homicides.

As far as the guns in bars legislation, also in my state, well I consider that to be some stupid legislation that will eventually result in somone getting killed. At least the politicians weres smart enough to leave an "out" in the form of the establishment putting up a no gun sign.

Guns in parks I see no problem with. Most forbid alcohol and other nonsense and there ain't much difference that I can see in carrying in a park as there would be in carrying in any other public place like the local walmart parking lot.

I think people seem to forget that FREEDOM ISN'T FREE and that the right to protect oneself with a firearm has and will continue to costs lives. If and when the time comes where you need to defend yourself against a threat which is more than a match for you, which is more important... the cost in other peoples lives which may or may not have been saved by taking away your right to bear arms, or your life.

Well, my life ranks pretty high up there. As a matter of fact, it's pretty much number 1.

cjones
07-19-2009, 01:25 PM
i am one that if someone i dont know comes through my door uninvited i will shoot and ask questions later

BamaShadow
07-19-2009, 05:56 PM
Bama, that is one truly stupid poster. Ya, let's let every idiot in the world take a gun on an airplane. That'll stop terrorists. Because they won't have to bother: the population will kill itself, because on flights (like the freeway), is where they REALLY keep it together.
Well not really. If the powers that be had the foresight to put armed air marshals on the planes prior to 9/11, there is a chance that all those people would be here today. It's only in the aftermath of tragedy that people think to take preventive measures. Prior to 9/11 the FAA didn't allow firearms on any plane, no matter who was carrying it. When the attacks on 9/11 occurred, there were only 33 air marshals serving the entire country (none of which were allowed to carry firearms). As a result, a few douche bags with box cutters were able to cause such a huge loss of life. I'm not saying all points of gun control are bad. It's just when they start talking about taking guns away from hard working honest people that it chaps my ass. Opinions will always vary, and this will always be a heated subject.

Beaker
07-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Well not really. If the powers that be had the foresight to put armed air marshals on the planes prior to 9/11, there is a chance that all those people would be here today. It's only in the aftermath of tragedy that people think to take preventive measures. Prior to 9/11 the FAA didn't allow firearms on any plane, no matter who was carrying it. When the attacks on 9/11 occurred, there were only 33 air marshals serving the entire country (none of which were allowed to carry firearms). As a result, a few douche bags with box cutters were able to cause such a huge loss of life. I'm not saying all points of gun control are bad. It's just when they start talking about taking guns away from hard working honest people that it chaps my ass. Opinions will always vary, and this will always be a heated subject.

I agree with you there. I thought the poster was suggesting everyone should be allowed to carry a gun onto a plane. Same deal here; if a police officer has to travel by air in the line of duty (most often to pick up a fugitive), they have to turn their gun over to the pilot. What the hell is THAT?!

BamaShadow
07-19-2009, 06:31 PM
I agree with you there. I thought the poster was suggesting everyone should be allowed to carry a gun onto a plane. Same deal here; if a police officer has to travel by air in the line of duty (most often to pick up a fugitive), they have to turn their gun over to the pilot. What the hell is THAT?!
It's complete bullshit is what that is. The only restrictions that should be put on said officers is to have them go through the same training as the marshals, and have them switch to the same ammo the marshals use while on the plane.