Ever Wonder about your Ancient Ancestors?

[TinyUFB]

This aint bike related but you might find it interesting.

Are any of you guys participating in the National Geographic Genographic Project?

This is a world wide project that will trace your ancestry back 10's of 1000's of years ago.
It is open to anyone who wishes to participate. They send you a special kit. You in turn send back genetic swabs.

When your results are ready you will learn who were your earliest human relatives. You'll get a genetic analysis, including a map tracing the locations of your oldest ancestral history. So you can see where your origins started, and how they migrated across the planet over the last 100,000 years or so.

One catch - it is a little pricey. I think it costs about $100 to participate. If your interested here is the link

https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

So far they have narrowed mine down to vegetable or possibly mineral. Not sure if that is good or bad. Mom always denied giving birth to me. Said I came from a cabbage plant.

Tiny

:embarasse

[gat803]

I hate to be negative here (wait a minute, I love to be negative. oh hell, anyways) but did it occur to you that your genetic sample is going into a computer somewhere and could very easily be used, along with alot of others, as the basis of a new dna finger printing database.

Just knowing my fingerprints are on file in any number of government offices makes me nervous. I work for the gov. and I don't trust them.
Same thing with tattoo's. More ways to positively identify you.

I'm not paranoid.
It just looks that way because they're out to get me. lol

(place the end of thread hijack here)

[AirportFF]

I hate to be negative here (wait a minute, I love to be negative. oh hell, anyways) but did it occur to you that your genetic sample is going into a computer somewhere and could very easily be used, along with alot of others, as the basis of a new dna finger printing database.

Just knowing my fingerprints are on file in any number of government offices makes me nervous. I work for the gov. and I don't trust them.
Same thing with tattoo's. More ways to positively identify you.

I'm not paranoid.
It just looks that way because they're out to get me. lol

(place the end of thread hijack here)



I bet you think "The Matrix" is a true story too......... :wink_2:

[TinyUFB]

It is TRUE ! IT IS IT IS IT IS.

I know

becuase the great and powerful Wizard of Oz told me so!


Anybody have a bridge for sale?

What is a Matrix? Does it have anything to do with SEX !!!


:rolleyes5

[TinyUFB]

[QUOTE=gat803] but did it occur to you that your genetic sample is going into a computer somewhere and could very easily be used, along with alot of others, as the basis of a new dna finger printing database......


EGAD! They can Clone Me!!


Two or more Tiny's in this world
and there goes the world food supply!

:end:

[gat803]

You know about the Matrix being real too??? Listen, if you want to join the fight, the meetings are held the second tuesday of each week at the Hooter's over on Valley Rd.

When the girl at the door stops you, you'll need the password phrase to get in. Tell her you're looking for Nipples. She'll Know exactly where to send you.

It's all true "I swear to god it is."
quote from "Donny Baker"

[AirportFF]

[QUOTE=gat803]Listen, if you want to join the fight, the meetings are held the second tuesday of each week at the Hooter's over on Valley Rd.

When the girl at the door stops you, you'll need the password phrase to get in. Tell her you're looking for Nipples. She'll Know exactly where to send you.[QUOTE]


That's where I fucked up.......I was there on the second WEDNESDAY and used the password SWORDFISH. All of a sudden I was in a D.A.M.M. meeting (Drunks Against Mad Mothers) :no:

[TinyUFB]

I Really wanna join - Swear to God Man !!!

Lets see if I got it. I go to the door on the second Friday and say

fucking nippled swordfish.....

Now if I can only remember that ..... Does the second Friday come after the third?

:bounce:

[gat803]

That's some funny shit right there........Hey......wait a minute.....Nipples.......Swordfish...
AAWWW damn. Now all I'm gonna be able to think about all night is Halle Berry.

I'm gone, I need to go find the wife.

[scott0120]

No offense, but If you ever want to know where you came from let me know the earth isnt even that old. i dont know about you but id rather know the truth then have someone try and tell me that i evolved from a plant or bacteria. Dont you think that you might have had some intelligence when you were created. by the way evolution is just a theroy and can not be proven scientificlly or mathmatically. but like i said its your decission on wether you buy into there crap. just one more on that note: if we evolved from monkeys or a cabbage plant how come there is still monkeys and cabbage around and how come we dont see cabbage sprouting legs.

[Mr.Sinister]

No offense, but If you ever want to know where you came from let me know the earth isnt even that old. i dont know about you but id rather know the truth then have someone try and tell me that i evolved from a plant or bacteria. Dont you think that you might have had some intelligence when you were created. by the way evolution is just a theroy and can not be proven scientificlly or mathmatically. but like i said its your decission on wether you buy into there crap. just one more on that note: if we evolved from monkeys or a cabbage plant how come there is still monkeys and cabbage around and how come we dont see cabbage sprouting legs. I would suggest some reading to explain it to you, but it would require you to pull your head out of your ass to read it . Don't tell me you base all this on " FAITH " in a book that was written when they thought the earth flat and the moon was made out of cheese . Perhaps if you looked at science objectively and not just the parts that validate what you think you know , You might be taken serious out side you social circle . Plenty of examples of evolution can be made for you upon request . In truth evolution is a theory , so is E=mc2 and the Hiesenburge uncertiany principle. It must be good for science that the math is to hard for your types to argue that .No offnece .

[Mr.Sinister]

Here is a good link . http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/09/050909221043.htm And I typoed offence . Sorry . :happy:

[Wild Coyote]

I would suggest some reading to explain it to you, but it would require you to pull your head out of your ass to read it . Don't tell me you base all this on " FAITH " in a book that was written when they thought the earth flat and the moon was made out of cheese . Perhaps if you looked at science objectively and not just the parts that validate what you think you know , You might be taken serious out side you social circle . Plenty of examples of evolution can be made for you upon request . In truth evolution is a theory , so is E=mc2 and the Hiesenburge uncertiany principle. It must be good for science that the math is to hard for your types to argue that .No offnece .

Bwaahhahahahah!

[TinyUFB]

I dont know about you, but I can live for a month off the cabbage sprouts on my legs.

Hey everyone has got to follow their own shit. The world we be a very boring place if we only believed in your or my shit.

You can be entropic or it's final result - stagnation. I prefer to be in a constant flux of entropy.

Besides my shit dont stink.

No really! Swear to God, Man!

CHAOS the driving force behind knowledge.

:scatter:

[Mr.Sinister]

I am not attacking his faith in the christjan god . Only his blaming ignorance on him . He can work that one out with Jahova on his own time . Like that guy who tried to circumsize his 11 year old boy with a hunting knife recently . He blamed god for the botched surgery . The word theory is a funny one . Considering that we use theortical objects and priciples every day and call it safe if not fact . Theory of electrons makes this computer work and a lightbulb light up . Argueing Darwins theory of evolution makes little sence unless you are argueing Nietzsche's point on the flaws of natural selection theory ." The world is not that old ." ? Dinosuars died a couple thousand years ago ? They are just a big hoax ? 2500 years ago you would have been stoned to death as a heratic for suggesting that little things you can't see called germs make you sick .Same time that that book was written . Perhaps god left out the details we could not deal with back then . I did not say god does not exsist . :happy:

[TinyUFB]

....i dont know about you but id rather know the truth then have someone try and tell me that ....

I must be missing something here?

I have to agree with Sin.

How can you possibly say "...Id rather know the truth...." , if you refuse to listen when someone offers an idea that conflicts with your belief? Let's face it - God did not write the bible. People wrote it. So do you reject the Bible because it was written by a 'someone' ?

What difference does it make if you accept that I came from a cabbage plant or a single cell mutant mars infected virus? Do you think that, by accepting, your belief in God will he shaken?

For the reccord - All of those rumors of my creation are false.

I came from a Mars infected Caggage Plant.

I really could use a banana right now!!!!!!!

Tiny:spidereek

[scott0120]

im sorry maybe i shouldnt have typed no offense because im not afraid if you take it as offensive. all i said is before you go and offer your idea do some research make sure that all the facts were there to begin with. and there arent enough FACTS at all to support evolution in any form. and as far as the dinosaurs go they went extinct there is no magical answer for there dissappereance. species go extinct everyday but just because you arent willing to open your eyes to see everything thats going on around you, you dont have all the facts ive researched this subject for a very long time and ive seen the facts and given them all a go, and im telling you were i stand, and if you want to know my facts just look at yours. we all use the same facts. im using them and telling you what can be done with them and your trying to fill in the blocks to meet an answer. it dosent work that way thats why you need to get your stuff straight before you want to start somthing. because im willing to argue this fact as much as you want. never once did i mention my chrisitan god in my post. but if you want me to see your facts then you need to be willing to see everyone elses or your stacking the odds.
Scott

[gat803]

Well I'm sure, Scott, that you will be more than happy to provide some "facts" to back up your theory on creationism?

And please remember, Belief's are not facts. Just because it's in some book, that doesn't mean it's a fact. And just because a lot of people believe something, that doesn't make it a fact either.

I love these discussions, this should be fun.

gat

[SmokeShowin]

And just because a lot of people believe something, that doesn't make it a fact either.
gat

Yeah. Lots of people believe Harleys are the best bikes out there. And we know that ISN'T a fact.:laugh:

[scott0120]

here is just 12 FACTS split up in two posts because of length that disprove millions of years using the same facts that we both have. the numbers by the words correspond with the REFERENCE at the bottom of the second post.

more to come i know this might be alot for you guys to read since you like to buy into those one liners. Your right Gat this should be good.
Scott


1. Galaxies wind themselves up too fast



The stars of our own galaxy, the Milky Way, rotate about the galactic center with different speeds, the inner ones rotating faster than the outer ones. The observed rotation speeds are so fast that if our galaxy were more than a few hundred million years old, it would be a featureless disc of stars instead of its present spiral shape.<SUP>1</SUP>

Yet our galaxy is supposed to be at least 10 billion years old. Evolutionists call this ‘the winding-up dilemma’, which they have known about for fifty years. They have devised many theories to try to explain it, each one failing after a brief period of popularity. The same ‘winding-up’ dilemma also applies to other galaxies.

For the last few decades the favored attempt to resolve the dilemma has been a complex theory called ‘density waves’.<SUP>1</SUP> The theory has conceptual problems, has to be arbitrarily and very finely tuned, and lately has been called into serious question by the Hubble Space Telescope’s discovery of very detailed spiral structure in the central hub of the ‘Whirlpool’ galaxy, M51.<SUP>2</SUP>

2. Comets disintegrate too quickly

According to evolutionary theory, comets are supposed to be the same age as the solar system, about 5 billion years. Yet each time a comet orbits close to the sun, it loses so much of its material that it could not survive much longer than about 100,000 years. Many comets have typical ages of 10,000 years.<SUP>3</SUP>

Evolutionists explain this discrepancy by assuming that (a) comets come from an unobserved spherical ‘Oort cloud’ well beyond the orbit of Pluto, (b) improbable gravitational interactions with infrequently passing stars often knock comets into the solar system, and (c) other improbable interactions with planets slow down the incoming comets often enough to account for the hundreds of comets observed.<SUP>4</SUP> So far, none of these assumptions has been substantiated either by observations or realistic calculations.

Lately, there has been much talk of the ‘Kuiper Belt’, a disc of supposed comet sources lying in the plane of the solar system just outside the orbit of Pluto. Even if some bodies of ice exist in that location, they would not really solve the evolutionists’ problem, since according to evolutionary theory the Kuiper Belt would quickly become exhausted if there were no Oort cloud to supply it.

3. Not enough mud on the sea floor

Each year, water and winds erode about 25 billion tons of dirt and rock from the continents and deposit it in the ocean.<SUP>5</SUP> This material accumulates as loose sediment (i.e., mud) on the hard basaltic (lava-formed) rock of the ocean floor. The average depth of all the mud in the whole ocean, including the continental shelves, is less than 400 meters.<SUP>6</SUP>

The main way known to remove the mud from the ocean floor is by plate tectonic subduction. That is, sea floor slides slowly (a few cm/year) beneath the continents, taking some sediment with it. According to secular scientific literature, that process presently removes only 1 billion tons per year. <SUP>6</SUP> As far as anyone knows, the other 24 billion tons per year simply accumulate. At that rate, erosion would deposit the present amount of sediment in less than 12 million years.

Yet according to evolutionary theory, erosion and plate subduction have been going on as long as the oceans have existed, an alleged 3 billion years. If that were so, the rates above imply that the oceans would be massively choked with mud dozens of kilometers deep. An alternative (creationist) explanation is that erosion from the waters of the Genesis flood running off the continents deposited the present amount of mud within a short time about 5000 years ago.

4. Not enough sodium in the sea

Every year, river<SUP>7</SUP> and other sources<SUP>9</SUP> dump over 450 million tons of sodium into the ocean. Only 27% of this sodium manages to get back out of the sea each year.<SUP>8,9</SUP> As far as anyone knows, the remainder simply accumulates in the ocean. If the sea had no sodium to start with, it would have accumulated its present amount in less than 42 million years at today’s input and output rates.<SUP>9</SUP> This is much less than the evolutionary age of the ocean, 3 billion years. The usual reply to this discrepancy is that past sodium inputs must have been less and outputs greater. However, calculations which are as generous as possible to evolutionary scenarios still give a maximum age of only 62 million years.<SUP>9</SUP> Calculations<SUP>10</SUP> for many other sea water elements give much younger ages for the ocean.


5. The Earth’s magnetic field is decaying too fast

The total energy stored in the Earth’s magnetic field has steadily decreased by a factor of 2.7 over the past 1000 years.<SUP>11</SUP> Evolutionary theories explaining this rapid decrease, as well as how the Earth could have maintained its magnetic field for billions of years, are very complex and inadequate.

A much better creationist theory exists. It is straightforward, based on sound physics, and explains many features of the field: its creation, rapid reversals during the Genesis flood, surface intensity decreases and increases until the time of Christ, and a steady decay since then.<SUP>12</SUP> This theory matches paleomagnetic, historic, and present data.<SUP>13</SUP> The main result is that the field’s total energy (not surface intensity) has always decayed at least as fast as now. At that rate the field could not be more than 10,000 years old.<SUP>14</SUP>

6. Many strata are too tightly bent

In many mountainous areas, strata thousands of feet thick are bent and folded into hairpin shapes. The conventional geologic time scale says these formations were deeply buried and solidified for hundreds of millions of years before they were bent. Yet the folding occurred without cracking, with radii so small that the entire formation had to be still wet and unsolidified when the bending occurred. This implies that the folding occurred less than thousands of years after deposition.<SUP>15</SUP>

7. Injected sandstone shortens geologic ‘ages’

Strong geologic evidence<SUP>16</SUP> exists that the Cambrian Sawatch sandstone — formed an alleged 500 million years ago — of the Ute Pass fault west of Colorado Springs was still unsolidified when it was extruded up to the surface during the uplift of the Rocky Mountains, allegedly 70 million years ago. It is very unlikely that the sandstone would not solidify during the supposed 430 million years it was underground. Instead, it is likely that the two geologic events were less than hundreds of years apart, thus greatly shortening the geologic time scale.

8. Fossil radioactivity shortens geologic ‘ages’ to a few years

Radiohalos are rings of color formed around microscopic bits of radioactive minerals in rock crystals. They are fossil evidence of radioactive decay.<SUP>17</SUP> ‘Squashed’ Polonium-210 radiohalos indicate that Jurassic, Triassic, and Eocene formations in the Colorado plateau were deposited within months of one another, not hundreds of millions of years apart as required by the conventional time scale.<SUP>18</SUP> ‘Orphan’ Polonium-218 radiohalos, having no evidence of their mother elements, imply either instant creation or drastic changes in radioactivity decay rates.<SUP>19,20</SUP>

[scott0120]

continued from last post:
9. Helium in the wrong places

All naturally-occurring families of radioactive elements generate helium as they decay. If such decay took place for billions of years, as alleged by evolutionists, much helium should have found its way into the Earth’s atmosphere. The rate of loss of helium from the atmosphere into space is calculable and small. Taking that loss into account, the atmosphere today has only 0.05% of the amount of helium it would have accumulated in 5 billion years.<SUP>21</SUP> This means the atmosphere is much younger than the alleged evolutionary age. A study published in the Journal of Geophysical Research shows that helium produced by radioactive decay in deep, hot rocks has not had time to escape. Though the rocks are supposed to be over one billion years old, their large helium retention suggests an age of only thousands of years.<SUP>22</SUP>

10. Not enough stone age skeletons

Evolutionary anthropologists say that the stone age lasted for at least 100,000 years, during which time the world population of Neanderthal and Cro-magnon men was roughly constant, between 1 and 10 million. All that time they were burying their dead with artefacts.<SUP>23</SUP> By this scenario, they would have buried at least 4 billion bodies.<SUP>24</SUP> If the evolutionary time scale is correct, buried bones should be able to last for much longer than 100,000 years, so many of the supposed 4 billion stone age skeletons should still be around (and certainly the buried artefacts). Yet only a few thousand have been found. This implies that the stone age was much shorter than evolutionists think, a few hundred years in many areas.

11. Agriculture is too recent

The usual evolutionary picture has men existing as hunters and gatherers for 100,000 years during the stone age before discovering agriculture less than 10,000 years ago.<SUP>23</SUP> Yet the archaeological evidence shows that stone age men were as intelligent as we are. It is very improbable that none of the 4 billion people mentioned in item 10 should discover that plants grow from seeds. It is more likely that men were without agriculture less than a few hundred years after the flood, if at all.<SUP>24</SUP>

12. History is too short

According to evolutionists, stone age man existed for 100,000 years before beginning to make written records about 4000 to 5000 years ago. Prehistoric man built megalithic monuments, made beautiful cave paintings, and kept records of lunar phases.<SUP>25</SUP> Why would he wait a thousand centuries before using the same skills to record history? The Biblical time scale is much more likely.<SUP>24</SUP>

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[Mr.Sinister]

The shear volume of bad math and incredible leaps will take some time to respond too . Stars for instance on the outer spiral move faster not slower . The discovery of super massive black holes has explained that one away years ago . The "data" in which you refer to is over 50 years old . 2 comets are not used to measure the age of the the universe [ LIGHT IS ] . 3 The sea floor . We have been unable to reach 9 tenths of it . There is no accurate way to measure the depth of mud . At over 14 atm pressure I would bet mud is a solid . 4 the specific gravity of seawater fluctuates with tempeture and in the colder deeper parts it holds more . It is called cold water welling and is an important part of the oceans zoeplanton cycle . Minerals [ sodium and mud ] are converted into food . 5 sound physics ? How the fuck is jesus and the genisis flood sound physics ? RETARD ! 6 The strata that you speak of ? Name ? Many things can be bent with out breaking or appear to have been broken when enough pressure on eigher side . Not to mention on the long timeline with enough pressure it would be inposible to tell if an when it was . 7 sandstone ? Now you are really reaching . Sandstone is made up of what ? How is it formed ? Small parts that bond under TIME AND PRESSURE . I will get to the more absurd ones tomarrow . It would appear that you have done your homework in finding missleading things .

[TinyUFB]

WOW! A little defensive are we? Feeling a bit insecure at the momment?
Well at least no one will ever accuse you of NOT being long winded.

C'mon admit it?

All this mumbo jumbo on how old everything is is just a facade. Your a fucking lawyer or politician - or maybe both ! Who else can take facts and proven theories, twist them around so that it contradicts the original premis and supports your view.

One thing about science, is that it is in a constant state of uncertainty. What was thought to be fact 20 years ago is now considered pulp fiction. Science is constantly evolving and that is good. It requires people to have an open mind, to question, and to strive for better answers - regardless where that may lead to !

Science is bad when it is used to prove an agenda. When people take science to meet their agenda, they no longer have an open mind. They will take data, break it down, twist it, and grind it to meet and agree with your agenda. If they cant make that happen, they throw it out and ignore it.

So yes, I would prefer to "buy into their crap" than to stagnate.

MARS RULES.:sign chil

SmokeShowin, excellent line about HD!!!. Ever see that T-Shirt with the HD Logo along with "If they had wings would you fly in one?".


St. Tiny

[scott0120]

sorry im not a lawyer or a politican, actually i protect you so you can have all these "theoretical ideas". and like i said before if your not willing to keep an open mind and accept facts that are proven, and science dosent evolve when its proven mathmatically. im sorry that you have your head so far up your ass that you cant even take the time to make sure you know what you are even talking about. but maybe someday you will take the time to give yourself intelligence some credit. now like i said ive done alot of research on this, and i started in your shoes trying to disprove the chrisitains. heres what the scientists say well all your scientists have failed to come up with even one possible smidgen of a way that matter can develop intelligence. because its never happened in any environment, controlled or uncontrolled. so until you can fill in these blanks to meet the answer that your twisting the information to come too. you come out here with some information and no refrences to back it up and the national enquirer dosent count sorry. but i gave you my refrences and i will give you more you can read there biography they were all once atheists trying to disprove god, and it only works so long until you get all the facts and are willing to except fact from theory then you should keep reading and maybe you just might evolve into an intelligent being.
"no offense"

Scott

[Mr.Sinister]

Sites of academic abortions in apa format ? Laughable ! 2 I did not finish yet . 3 nice cut and paste it should keep someone busy looking for bogus degrees . I did not have the time or energy last night to respond to all your misinformation . Frankly all the research you did was a cut and paste . But since you think JESUS IS FACT .............AHEM let me clear my throat . Real name Yesua Bin Nazarene [ aka camel jocky cult leader ] had only 12 followers in his lifetime . Was not blond haired or blue eyed . Never met a single european IN HIS LIFETIME that did not want to kill him . jesus is a mispronunciation of yae zues , spelt jesus . That was the Greek name he was given 100's of years after his death . INRA that is under every catholic cross stads for " King of the jews " Yet the jews to this day claim him to be lunatic thats why they had him killed . David karesh had more followers and so did Jim Jones .Christ has been used and misreprasented for 1000's of years to promote an AFRICAN SLAVE religion . " Pharoh let my people go !" Last time I checked the the map Egypt was the northern tip of Africa . 99.9 percent of white hate groups claim christian identity . Because they have been lied to and believe he is white . I personaly don't care if you pray to Osama Bin Laden . They are from the same place , only Osama has more followers in his lifetime and has not yet done the same level of damage or hate yet. Give him 2500 years maby his name will be Bill Christ ? :sign chil

[Mr.Sinister]

I would like to apologize to any of my christjan friends[ M@man, Shadow ect. ] that may have and probibly where offended by that last post . It was not directed at you . I do get caught up in these things .

[RAZOR]

i dont know what all the argument is about,my mother told me that
everybody came from the stork-and thats all i've known since.know
all this talk about evoulution and coming from bacteria,is just blowing my mind.
I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
we came from the stork--and thats a fact cuz my mother told me so. :happy: :laugh2:

[TinyUFB]

Egad! I have been struck by the quiver of madness.

I do thank you for your protection and admire and respect your profession. Still you should consider running for office. Your missing your true calling in life.

You do twist things rather nicely. Have I said you theories were wrong? If you read my last post, I was questioning your background data supporting your theory. Did you not understand what I meant when I said 'Science is constantly evolving'? Who knows what future discoveries will yield? You might just be right.

Yet, you accuse me of not having an open mind. At least not as open minded as you are! I question your agenda and I question the leaps taken to prove that agenda.

I have no idea if man was given intelligence by God or by evolutionary process, nor do I give a rats ass either way. Unlike your open minded attitude, I do not consider different viewpoints as CRAP.

Another strange thing. You infer that most, if not all, scientists are athiests trying to attack christian beliefs. At this point you must accept my word, which I know is hard to do, but being open minded as you are, here goes -I do know many many scientist, and without question, the vast majority are very religious.

Hmmm I guess they all must have lied to me.


And all this crap about how your ideas are proven mathematically is interesting as well. We can prove mathematically that there are multi dimensions (Calabi Yau Manifold e.g.), I am sure, an open minded person like yourself, is already aware of this and is accepting of it.

Or are you? Is your mathematics only valid if it agrees with your beliefs, or are you willing to accept anything that is mathematically proven?

I prefer to believe you are open to any theory that can be mathematically verified.

You claim you have done exhausting research. Excellent. I aplaud your endeavors. I only ask one favor, do not stop your research. Always continue to question and to wonder.

You equate me as someone who receives his intelligence from the National Inquirer. Wow! Whose intelligence is in question with such a blank biased statement as that? Fortunately you provide safe harbor. AS long as I am willing to research your sources, I have a chance to become an intelligent being. YOUR RIGHT! I AM NOT AN OPEN MINDED PERSON!

Wait a minute! I have read some of your references. In fact I have even viewed a series of videos created by Creationists which provided many of the 'scientific facts' you are claiming.

I found it very interesting. Did I swallow it hook line and sinker? No. Am I willing to give it credence with other theories, not all but some - yes. Am I willing to reject all other theories created by christian hating atheistic scientiests - NO. But then again I am not open minded like you are.

You chastise me because I have no references. I agree. Culpa Mea. Have you ever researched Brian Greene's work. Here is a link

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/spires/find/hep/www?rawcmd=FIND+AUTHOR+GREENE,+B

It would be interesting to see how you view this research in relativity to you current view.

:cheers:

[TinyUFB]

i dont know what all the argument is about,my mother told me that
everybody came from the stork-and thats all i've known since.know
all this talk about evoulution and coming from bacteria,is just blowing my mind.
I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
we came from the stork--and thats a fact cuz my mother told me so. :happy: :laugh2:


I wish I came from the stork instead of that mutant cabbage plant from Mars!

I need a banana!

Tiny

:end:

[TinyUFB]

One last thing. Considering what started all this shit, you should know I got my results back. I am type mtDNA Haplogroup HV. DNA origins 150,000 years Mitochondrial Eve - location - Kenya.

[gat803]

I noticed a few "this implies" and at least one "it's more likely" in the Speaking Points listed above........Doesn't sound real certain to me.
But it really doesn't matter.

Is there a God? That is what it comes down to. Is there a God? I don't know, do you?.....you believe there is but you don't know. I think there could be, I'm open to the possibility, but I don't know that there is. I don't know that there's not. I see no facts either way.
I think it's more about tolerance, or lack there of.

I won't insult your intelligence by citing a long list of "facts" to disprove the existence of an almighty being. If that's what you choose to believe, good for you.

If you choose to believe the stork brought you, good for you.

Just don't piss down my back and try to tell me it's raining. I'm not that easy.

[RustyJake]

Just don't anyone tell me there isn't a Santa Claus!:xmas:

[SmokeShowin]

Just don't anyone tell me there isn't a Santa Claus!:xmas:

Oh there is. But as for the tooth fairy...

[scott0120]

allright its going to take me a while to get through these papers. but this is were i stand and here is a site from me with a wealth of information. www.answersingenesis.org (http://www.answersingenesis.org) but what it boils down to is we all have different presuppositions on this stuff and if none of us are willing to put on the others glasses and look at it through there eyes were not going to get anywhere. im calling your stuff unsound your calling my stuff unsound. the only way to see the information we are trying to relay is if we set our pre set thoughts aside and look at it through the way its presented. follow it back to the foundation of the information and make sure there is soundness in what we are being taught through science or mathmatics. and science is not always evolving we understand more as we go. such as it used to be thought that the world was flat. or that the stars were holes in our bird cage cover, and if we went back 2 hundred years and said that there would be boeing 707's we would be laughed at. so its not that science evolves its just that as we discover more complex things are understaing gets better and better. such as aerodynamics. there not going to change because its a fact that it works. and your right that eventually we will all find out one way or the other what the real truth is. so thats were im standing but if we want to keep this post up and going i will keep taking your information on board and research it. and i will post if i see any flaws and why i see them and were im getting my info from. if we cant agree on these simple things logically then i dont see any reason in continuing arguing until were trying to slit eachothers throats to get a point across. so were do you stand if you are going to stand on your pre set thoughts and get pissed off everytime i post somthing then im not going to bother. and i will stop from getting pissed at your views.

scott, :cheers:

[RustyJake]

Okay, I'm not in on this discussion, it's over my head into areas that I don't find a 'need to know'.
But Scott, your last post states that we have what we have today by understanding more and more and being able to do more with that knowledge, is that not evolution? Use whatever words you want, it's still a form of evolution.
From dictionary.com:
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n.
A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=development).

The process of developing.
Gradual development.

Biology.
Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.

A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.
Mathematics. The extraction of a root of a quantity.
So your own words tells of evolution. Perhaps it's not the same as you are trying to discount, but don't discount the concept.
Maybe evolution did not happen exactly as what we've been taught. But that's the thing, we are still learning. I don't see a time where the earth will ever yield all of her secrets. At least not in my life time. The bible gives comfort to some and to me that justifies it's existence. I respect those that believe in their god.
With the opinions on how we came to be, whether evolution or from the biblical view it's not something that will change the face of the earth we live on. It's what we have now that matters and what we are leaving for the children of the future.

[TinyUFB]

Dear Mr. Darwin

bad pun - I apologize - I couldnt help myself.

Scott

RustyJake's and Gat's responses are the heart of the matter.

There was an old friend of mine that passed away about 7 years ago. He was a fighter pilot in the Air Force and he was involved in active combat in Korea. He was also a Medical Doctor. When he returned home, he established a practice with a Hospital in Iowa, but soon gave it up. He decided he could do more treating people in rural areas where doctors were scarce. Whenever a child was seriously ill or injured, or an adult for that matter, he would fly the patient in his own plane to the nearest hospital for emergency treatment - at his own expense.

I first met him as a volunteer for the local observatories. When they were open to the public, the first thing he would tell everyone who walked in was "Dont beleive a word they tell you, it's all wrong! " This would really piss off the student volunteers. 'Who was this old fart telling us we're wrong!" But us old ones knew what he meant.

Our knowledge of the Universe is constantly evolving. What we took for fact yesterday, is false today, and with today's technology, our concepts of reality are changing rapidly.

You started this like a Bull in Heat. Your right, we're wrong! You questioned our intelligence, and was even bold to suggest that we may yet achieve intelligence if we accept and endorse your PRE SET conclusions. Until then we are all ignorant fools. It was you who got pissed off because I believe my ancestor was Mitochondrial Eve. It was you who said my head was so far up my ass....

In reality if tried to stick my head up my ass there would be a nuclear chain reaction that would wipe out half of Nebraska.

Did you really expect to be able to lambaste us as you did without repercussions?

Now your final words are:

"...so were do you stand if you are going to stand on your pre set thoughts and get pissed off everytime i post somthing then im not going to bother. and i will stop from getting pissed at your views...."

I say yes, contuinue to post. It would be interesting to read your research and the research of opposing views. However do so only if you too are willing to lay aside your pre set views as well.

-------

How is your new bike? Have you picked it up yet?

-------

Tiny :tiny:

[Mr.Sinister]

I went to college for a degree in marine biology . I was raised in both a strict lutheran and baptist households . My father was a minister who made us go to church 3 nights a week until I was 17 . I personaly challenge cretin-izm , do to it trying to pass itself of as science and not religian . The first rule of science is that nothing is a fact . Faith is not a fact . As far as the other points on your list . Cromag was not as smart but he did have a bigger brian . The possible reason that more skelitons have not been found is that nomadic people did not always bury dead very deep . Scavengers scatter remains and few bodies will last 100000 years in the dirt . The "fact" that they did not do agriculture might be becuase of the ice age or because they where nomads or a hunter gatherer tribe only works about 3.5 hours a day . Farm work is hard and hoping for rain or sun is a gamble . Cave art is not that impressive . The renaissance that is impressive . That happened after the dark ages [ the time christians ruled and art and science stopped ] . Religian keeps men from doing terrible things in the name science . I like to think there is room for both .................. Just not at the same time . :happy: By the way feel free to retort . If you keep it civil I will as well .

[Wild Coyote]

Holy shit! You guys are getting way to serious again! Evolution, religion, a bear taking a shit in the woods. Keep it real, live life to the fullest! May every man have access to cold beer, breasts, and snatch! We will all procreate and get drunk! Life is good.


p.s., I don't want to know where my ancestors came from, the past is in the past, lets leave it there.

[RAZOR]

p.s., I don't want to know where my ancestors came from, the past is in the past, lets leave it there.

-yeah i here that i dont even want to see my imedeat family -you know like
aunts,uncles and their familys-i cant stand them and i sure as hell dont want to know
where i or they came from....
SNATCH i love that word.

[TinyUFB]

Holy shit! You guys are getting way to serious again! Evolution, religion, a bear taking a shit in the woods. Keep it real, live life to the fullest! May every man have access to cold beer, breasts, and snatch! We will all procreate and get drunk! Life is good.


p.s., I don't want to know where my ancestors came from, the past is in the past, lets leave it there.


NAW, this is just a friendly discussion between beer breasts and snatch breaks.

Tiny

[TinyUFB]

-yeah i here that i dont even want to see my imedeat family -you know like
aunts,uncles and their familys-i cant stand them and i sure as hell dont want to know
where i or they came from....
SNATCH i love that word.


SNATCH, SNATCH, SNATCH, SNATCH there, you happy now?

What is a snatch? Is it a form of cabbage plant?

I could sure use a banana right now.

:wink_2:

[RAZOR]

SNATCH, SNATCH, SNATCH, SNATCH there, you happy now?

What is a snatch? Is it a form of cabbage plant?

I could sure use a banana right now.

:wink_2:

lol---ha-snatch and banana in the same post.. :jamming:
funny the way words have "evolved"into meaning something completly different

[TinyUFB]

lol---ha-snatch and banana in the same post.. :jamming:
funny the way words have "evolved"into meaning something completly different


I was just thinking I better drop that banana line or someone will think I lied about coming from a mutant cabbage plant and get the wrong idea.........

:no:

[Mr.Sinister]

No way GOD created their double meaning 15 minutes ago . Do the math .

[RAZOR]

I was just thinking I better drop that banana line or someone will think I lied about coming from a mutant cabbage plant and get the wrong idea.........

:no:
not really-how do you think the cabbage mutated---from the bananna giving it to
the cabbage. :break bed the banana shout some banana juice into the cabbage

[TinyUFB]

not really-how do you think the cabbage mutated---from the bananna giving it to
the cabbage. the banana shout some banana juice into the cabbage


IF Banana Pecker picked a pack of Peters , how much peters would banana pecker ..... oh just forget it. I'm joining a monestary.

And to think I was a vegetable once (notice I avoided the other)

Tiny

:stunned:

[Mr.Sinister]

On a side note . I can trace my lineage back to saint Olaf on my moms side . It is kinda funny that I am a direct decendant of a saint . :happy:

[TinyUFB]

Wasn't Olaf that guy that was picked up for wearing womens underwear?

Hey, I aint saying I believe it ..... could be just a viscious rumor.

[SmokeShowin]

a bear taking a shit in the woods...

Correction, bears do not shit in the woods. They shit in the road and then kick it into the woods.


Dude, what are you Dr. Doolittle or something? Wild Coyote, Rabid Wolf and Da Bears in your avatar. You're such an animal! :happy: :happy: :happy: